British and Irish Lions: 15 Stuart Hogg (captain), 14 Louis Rees-Zammit, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Owen Farrell, 11 Josh Adams, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price,
8 Taulupe Faletau, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Courtney Lawes, 5 Jonny Hill, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Kyle Sinckler, 2 Jamie George, 1 Wyn Jones.
Replacements: 16 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Zander Fagerson, 19 Iain Henderson, 20 Sam Simmonds, 21 Gareth Davies, 22 Bundee Aki, 23 Elliot Daly.
True to his word, Gatland giving everyone a game asap
BIL will be too strong for Lions but the scoreline is less important than the manner in which the points are scored.
Individual moments of flair against average and tiring opposition not as important as creating space for others and clinical support running, passing, and finishing.
Lions: 15 EW Viljoen, 14 Jamba Ulengo, 13 Manuel Rass, 12 Burger Odendaal, 11 Rabz Maxwane, 10 Jordan Hendrikse, 9 Dillon Smit, 8 Francke Horn (captain), 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Sibusiso Sangweni, 5 Reinhard Nothnagel, 4 Ruben Schoeman, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 Pieter Botha, 1 Nathan McBeth.
Replacements: 16 Jaco Visagie, 17 Sithembiso Sithole, 18 Carlu Sadie, 19 Ruhan Straeuli, 20 Emmanuel Tshituka, 21 Morne van den Berg, 22 Fred Zeilinga, 23 Dan Kriel.
@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I realise that, still think it's a stupid idea
I don't recognise a single SA Lions name, should be a spanking. They won't be as jet lagged as they were in Whangarei 4 years ago
Gatland's comments on the 10/12 combo
“Owen has a huge amount of experience. Third tour, captain of England as well, so he is adding a lot to the environment, and then Finn has a slightly different way of playing.
“He has matured amazingly the last few years in terms of his game management and the way he controls the game and we know what flair he has from an attacking perspective, and also it’s just little deft attacking kicks that he is able to bring to his game.
“I thought against France the way that he managed that game and his kicking game control was outstanding. It’s pretty exciting to have a look at that combination. We do want to have a look at Owen at ten at some stage as well and give him an opportunity there because that is where he has been picked, but we know that he is equally comfortable in the twelve position."
@machpants said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I realise that, still think it's a stupid idea
Didn't really work for Scotland eh.
@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@machpants said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I realise that, still think it's a stupid idea
Didn't really work for Scotland eh.
Yup
@machpants wouldn't want to have your openside as your captain either by the looks of Argentina...
Luke Cowan-Dickie is on the bench this week
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Luke Cowan-Dickie Is on the bench this week
Ah thanks, I wasn't sure who 'Luke' was
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Absolute joke
And far more instrumental in long term damage IMHO
Time to bring back mandatory 3-week lay off
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
They’re not passing him fit though are they?
Surely it’s his employers who are ‘sub- contracting’ him to BIL
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
They’re not passing him fit though are they?
Surely it’s his employers who are ‘sub- contracting’ him to BIL
And the BIL coaches who clearly don’t give a fuck.
That’s wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
@gt12 said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
They’re not passing him fit though are they?
Surely it’s his employers who are ‘sub- contracting’ him to BIL
And the BIL coaches who clearly don’t give a fuck.
That’s wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Look we both agree that he shouldn’t be playing but once he’s passed his club’s protocols, what the policy and culpability after that?
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@gt12 said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
They’re not passing him fit though are they?
Surely it’s his employers who are ‘sub- contracting’ him to BIL
And the BIL coaches who clearly don’t give a fuck.
That’s wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Look we both agree that he shouldn’t be playing but once he’s passed his club’s protocols, what the policy and culpability after that?
Being a human being who gives a fuck about whether someone, who is in your responsibility, being able to remember their grandkid’s names in the future?
@gt12 said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@gt12 said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
They’re not passing him fit though are they?
Surely it’s his employers who are ‘sub- contracting’ him to BIL
And the BIL coaches who clearly don’t give a fuck.
That’s wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Look we both agree that he shouldn’t be playing but once he’s passed his club’s protocols, what the policy and culpability after that?
Being a human being who gives a fuck about someone being able to remember their kid’s names?
Which one of his kids names did he get wrong when you spoke with him?
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@gt12 said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@gt12 said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@duluth said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
Clearly, Luke Cowan-Dickie shouldn't be playing Rugby for a few weeks. Very worrying indeed that the British and Irish Lions management are willing to jeopardise the long-term health of one of their players. Poor form. I hope they think again and he doesn't take the field.
They’re not passing him fit though are they?
Surely it’s his employers who are ‘sub- contracting’ him to BIL
And the BIL coaches who clearly don’t give a fuck.
That’s wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Look we both agree that he shouldn’t be playing but once he’s passed his club’s protocols, what the policy and culpability after that?
Being a human being who gives a fuck about someone being able to remember their kid’s names?
Which one of his kids names did he get wrong when you spoke with him?
If that is the criteria for discussion here, we can shut this place down.
Why on earth not take care of the player and give them a chance later?
I’ve got a lot of shit things to say about Steve Hanson, but he’d have made sure this guy wasn’t playing.
@mikethesnow One for the lawyers certianly in terms of finance issues.
But morally the correct action is obvious. If the B and I management have seen that video how on earth can they pick L C-D today and then talk about players' welfare ever again? He must be withdrawn.
What worries me most here is that the B & I coach is Warren Gatland who due to coach a NZ Super franchise next season. Absolutely appalling that a senior NZR coach could have so little concern for a player's long term welfare.
@sparky said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
What worries me most here is that the B & I coach is Warren Gatland who due to coach a NZ Super franchise next season. Absolutely appalling that a senior NZR coach could have so little concern for a player's long term welfare.
Perhaps we should mention George North to Gatland?
Christ pull the reigns in on the moral high horse
If you’ve followed / go back through the head injuries threads you’ll see I’m the biggest advocate of a 3-week sit down for concussion like it was when I was playing.
Should he have even been allowed to fly, let alone be picked?
I DON’T KNOW
And that’s the point
I’m trying to distinguish between moral opinion and World Rugby policy and protocol.
Examined on pitch
Presumably failed HIA and sat the rest of the match out
Had subsequent HIA at recognised time intervals post-injury and at some point he passed.
Given the go ahead by his club doctor
Passed BIL medical to join tour
What’s next?
Garland ignoring the policy, protocol and current science and saying see you in a couple of weeks?
@mikethesnow Good summation Mike. Logic tells us that he shouldn't be playing but we are not party to the medical evidence. Rob Baxter is very hot on player welfare at Exeter so I would assume that LCD has passed all the protocols there are and I cannot see Gatland and co going against any guidance from the Exeter medical team, no matter what his own medics might say.
So. Comfortable win for the good guys but not sure what the take aways will be. Russell did some good stuff but he also gave us some buttock clenching moments. Welsh wingers finished very well. Lawes put in a shift. Watson was ever present. I like him as a lion but when he’s playing against England, he’s an annoying little shit.
Oh and a message to Eddie, Daly is 88.25% more effective at 13 than 15.
Edit: I like him a bit better knowing now that he is actually an Englishman. Bloody poaching Scots.
Just watched a replay of this game. The B&I Lions' backs looked slick and played at a good tempo. The forwards were physical.
I'm not sure of the strength of these SA teams at the moment though without their Boks.
I also thought that there were obvious differences in how Jacobs refereed the breakdown compared to what we have seen in SRA. I was also surprised that Rees-Zammit wasn't at least penalised early in the game for taking out a Lions player in the air. It didn't look like he was really contesting for the high ball.
Solid start to the tour
The Good
Finishing was superb, as was support play
Great defensive organisation by Harris. He’s really put himself in contention. Looked good with Farrell
Watson was excellent
Itoje is a definite Test starter
Hogg or Williams going to be a tough call
As will who misses out between Adams, LRZ, Watson
The Bad
Price and Russell won’t feature in the Tests
The Ugly
Lawes, Simmonds and Sinckler lucky not to get yellow
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
The Bad
Price and Russell won’t feature in the Tests
It will be interesting if they’re given another chance. Price might make the bench of one of the tests.
@act-crusader said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
@mikethesnow said in Lions v British & Irish Lions:
The Bad
Price and Russell won’t feature in the TestsIt will be interesting if they’re given another chance. Price might make the bench of one of the tests.
Murray, Davies
