@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:
The idea of Ardie or Beaudy riding the pine for even 30 minutes is sacrilege for the suits in NZ Rugby.
What I really have cognitive dissonance with is not why they rate these two so highly but why they rate the alternatives and possible future replacements so lowly by comparison.
Added to that I suspect Ardie has had a heavy season and needs a rest or at least some time on the bench.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:
you don't have long enough left for that old man
I have an hour slot free next Thursday.
See you next Thursday
Close, but should make a special time for @Dodge most half backs are a better fit for the “C U next Tuesday” category 
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Snowy said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
TSF is essentially an island of rugby reason in a sea of idiots
Or the very definition of groupthink::
"a psychological phenomenon where the desire for harmony and conformity in a group leads to irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcomes."That falls down on TSF with the "harmony and conformity" bit though. "You can all go fuck yourselves because I disagree" tends to hold more sway around here.
Diversity rules on the Fern!
But not DEI.....
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
There a few more repulsive sights than porky sweaty corporate types wearing minted England shirts swilling warm flat beer singing the chariot song
........but England make me bloody nervous
Piet says to hold his Castle lager……
As a kid growing up in Wellington Jamie Salmon was part of a glittering Lions backline at the time, an Englishman that went on to play for the ABs years before Gallagher repeated the feat. A bit rough that he never got his cap though. Surely David Kirk could sort that out?
@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:
@tubbyj said in England Vs All Blacks:
Most of them wanted Mackenzie promoted to start as a result. Same reason Beauden and Ardie have been shoehorned into the starting 15, unbalancing it for years when they were the two best bench/impact players in the world.
When you look at how Rassie has treated his players as opposed to our kid gloves. It's night and day.
Hooked a prop at 30 mins last week.
Hooked Kolisi at half time.
Hooked Etzebeth.
Hooked Libbock in first half of RWC semi.And none of them drop their lip.
The idea of Ardie or Beaudy riding the pine for even 30 minutes is sacrilege for the suits in NZ Rugby.
Funny. I've seen plenty of All Blacks being subbed.
@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:
@tubbyj said in England Vs All Blacks:
Most of them wanted Mackenzie promoted to start as a result. Same reason Beauden and Ardie have been shoehorned into the starting 15, unbalancing it for years when they were the two best bench/impact players in the world.
When you look at how Rassie has treated his players as opposed to our kid gloves. It's night and day.
Hooked a prop at 30 mins last week.
Hooked Kolisi at half time.
Hooked Etzebeth.
Hooked Libbock in first half of RWC semi.And none of them drop their lip.
The idea of Ardie or Beaudy riding the pine for even 30 minutes is sacrilege for the suits in NZ Rugby.
Funny. I've seen plenty of All Blacks being subbed.
I don't remember Ardie or BB being subbed for ages though
@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew to be fair, I think we do lack a clear style of play or identity right now, and posted about it a couple of weeks, so not just NZ media getting bites off the fern....
Utilizing the speed and ball running of Lakai, Sititi, Savea and Roigard wouldn't be a bad place to start.
I'd much rather this than hoist and hope.
@mariner4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:
oh the oldest debate in the book, you're both wrong of course, scrum halves are the coolest, most important people on the pitch and in the bar, the rest of you do as you're told.
I.
Fucking.
KNEW it!!!The signs were all there. A fucking halback in our midst.
Quick. Stone the Bastard!!!!!!
@mariner4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:
oh the oldest debate in the book, you're both wrong of course, scrum halves are the coolest, most important people on the pitch and in the bar, the rest of you do as you're told.
I.
Fucking.
KNEW it!!!The signs were all there. A fucking halback in our midst.
It all makes sense now doesn't it?
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
There a few more repulsive sights than porky sweaty corporate types wearing minted England shirts swilling warm flat beer singing the chariot song
Actually, Twickenham's changed a lot in that regard since the RFU started weeding out the neanderthals. Been there twice in recent years and it's more genuine rugby types these days. Great atmosphere.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've had the "Losing Aura" article, any sign of "Haka Must be Banned" story?
Apparently England have an identity and the All Blacks don't.
Almost as bad as this one. Goes on to say NZ have stopped relying on Pacific Islands and instead now rely on Holland to get its rugby players
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
This seems to chime with your analysis:
Check out Penaud's kick chase!
Some interesting points in there. I don’t disagree with their take that Penaud is a somewhat lazy chaser but I do disagree with their claim that Le Garrec’s box-kicking was on point. Multiple of his box kicks were quite deep inside the Bok 22; not even Kolbe would’ve gotten there in time. Bielle-Biarrey, who puts in a lot more effort, wasn’t able to reach multiple Le Garrec kicks either.
Also, their argument that Penaud’s lazy chase in the 2nd half – “3 steps worth of effort changed the game” – is not very convincing, as I felt that South Africa pretty much battered the French throughout that game. If it weren’t for that red card, I think you’re looking at a Wellington-type 2nd half for France.
Their point about a changed French kicking game, and how it compounded certain errors in areas like defensive kick receipt, is well made though.
Watched the Boks game in Edinburgh pub while eating a (delicious) bacon chop, so didn’t really get read on Q3, but Q4 was a bit like Wellington.
Parallels in H1, too, as home team had the advantage, but Boks kept in it by soft tries (Kolbe intercept and Reinach chip and chase).
Boks seem to have built recent success around short but high kicks whereas France traditionally kicks longer.
Boks have also become surgical at punishing teams behind on scoreboard and overplaying in Q4.
@mariner4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:
oh the oldest debate in the book, you're both wrong of course, scrum halves are the coolest, most important people on the pitch and in the bar, the rest of you do as you're told.
I.
Fucking.
KNEW it!!!The signs were all there. A fucking halfback in our midst.
Why is everyone against halfbacks? Asking for a friend…..
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
Boks have also become surgical at punishing teams behind on scoreboard and overplaying in Q4.
And the opposite.
If they decide they dont want to play any more; no team out there can make them (or referee).
@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:
Why is everyone against halfbacks? Asking for a friend…..
I'll tell you why.
THEY ARE ALWAYS THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.
They have to be.
They touch the ball the most; and they are the smallest.
Looking forward to watching this, hope NZ can halt the Orc army but I'm not hopeful.
England are looking mighty impressive these days and are building up huge depth in most positions. I'm just jealous as a passionate Welsh supporter but I'm going to have to get used to it, England seem to have their structures working for them now.
Hoping for a good test match as an "almost" neutral watcher.
