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Dunno why, as medical treatment has improved, but I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Was playing really well at 9 imo. Gutted and I’m not even a highlanders fan.
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
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@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?
Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
do you ever get sick of being wrong? or is just like some sort of weird comfort blanket by now?
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
Nah McCaw IMO Best 7
@chris said in Highlanders 2021:
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
Nah McCaw IMO Best 7
It's a good problem to have, arguing between two of the greats. McCaw in the professional era, Jones in the amateur. Sorted.
@kirwan said in Highlanders 2021:
@chris said in Highlanders 2021:
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
Nah McCaw IMO Best 7
It's a good problem to have, arguing between two of the greats. McCaw in the professional era, Jones in the amateur. Sorted.
bloody peacemakers. You're normally more like this kind of peacemaker
@mariner4life said in Highlanders 2021:
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
do you ever get sick of being wrong? or is just like some sort of weird comfort blanket by now?
Meh, I'm not a slave to the recency bias like you lot. :face_with_tongue:
@kirwan said in Highlanders 2021:
@chris said in Highlanders 2021:
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
Nah McCaw IMO Best 7
It's a good problem to have, arguing between two of the greats. McCaw in the professional era, Jones in the amateur. Sorted.
I think you're pretty much right.
Different eras.
MJ would need to pack on nearly 10kgs to play 7 these days - and 10 cm to play 6.
@chris-b said in Highlanders 2021:
@kirwan said in Highlanders 2021:
@chris said in Highlanders 2021:
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
Nah McCaw IMO Best 7
It's a good problem to have, arguing between two of the greats. McCaw in the professional era, Jones in the amateur. Sorted.
I think you're pretty much right.
Different eras.
MJ would need to pack on nearly 10kgs to play 7 these days - and 10 cm to play 6.
Tall enough for lock at the Canes though, but probably too dynamic.
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@mariner4life said in Highlanders 2021:
@nepia said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@snowy said in Highlanders 2021:
@billy-tell said in Highlanders 2021:
I remain scarred by Michael jones vs Argentina. Each time there is a knee injury I think « career in jeopardy ». Jones came back but he was never as good.
Didn't he play 6 mostly after that? Had a bit of a different role and wasn't quite as visible? Or has my memory failed me - again...
It is shit news about Fakatava. It looks like most of us thought he was going to be in Black this year. Just have to hope it isn't as bad as we fear.
Yes but Jones speed factor set him apart in that era until the injury. Not a bad tackler though. He also played 8 for Auckland if I recall correctly.
Yeah think I saw him at 8. The move to six was due to the loss of speed you mentioned, and in a very rare Fern occurrence we could both / all be right.
He was better as a seven until his knee was fucked, slowed down a bit, played six. Was still very good. How does that sound?Best 7 we’ve ever had and then 2nd best 6 of the past 30 years.
In this bloke’s opinion anyway.
do you ever get sick of being wrong? or is just like some sort of weird comfort blanket by now?
Meh, I'm not a slave to the recency bias like you lot. :face_with_tongue:
Not only is Richie better, but I would take George Smith over him at 7 as well
And as a 6 he was really no better than Liam Messam. Still bloody good, but a level down.
But it's cool, we all fanboi hard for some players
@mariner4life genuine question - did you actually see him play live in his prime?
@nzzp said in Highlanders 2021:
@mariner4life genuine question - did you actually see him play live in his prime?
Who Jones? Dude I'm in my mid-40s
@mariner4life I'm surrounded by old fluffybunnies
