@akan004 said in All Blacks vs USA:

@yeetyaah The casual fan sees Ardie making a good run and automatically thinks he's better than Cane as a 7 while ignoring all other facets of the position. Many fail to recognise that Cane was probably the best AB last year.

They are both totally different 7s, equally as good in my opinion and have strengths in different areas.

You’re also being a little ignorant in saying all Ardie does is a make a couple of good runs. If you’ve watched him over the last three years he’s done a lot more than that. He was hands down NZs best player in 2019.

Cane has to show some form for me before being selected in the big games, but for anyone writing him off that seems a little stupid aswell.

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs USA:

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs USA:

@yeetyaah The casual fan sees Ardie making a good run and automatically thinks he's better than Cane as a 7 while ignoring all other facets of the position. Many fail to recognise that Cane was probably the best AB last year.

Cane has to show some form for me before being selected in the big games, but for anyone writing him off that seems a little stupid aswell.

100% agree, he's just come back from injury. The whole argument stemmed from someone saying "I speak for everyone when I say Whitelock should be our permanent captain." I was like nah bro you don't speak for me. Then it went from there. Kinda hilarious, I told him it was recency bias and he said I was "Making up phrases." Bruh, Google is your friend.

OK, can someone explain the hairstyle atrocity adopted by so many of the All Blacks - Mo’unga and Tupea and Havili among them? They’re all sporting this curly perm at the back of their heads. Like an ‘80s mullet but teased into tight curls. My avatar Earle Kirton is spinning in his grave.

@canes4life I rate Ardie highly. Was simply trying to make a point as to why the casual fans don't rate Cane, it's because they don't see him making the flashy runs that a player like Ardie does.

You misunderstood my post.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs USA:

@yeetyaah ha, I've come to the realise many of those people on SM are casual fans with a very superficial knowledge of the game.

yeah I ditched that shit years ago , unfortunately some of our casual NZ fans that troll those pages are as bad as any other in world rugby too , its embarrissing

Cane hasn’t done much wrong as a player but he has put plenty of feet wrong as a Captain.
Exibit A, losing to Argentina.

@mrdenmore said in All Blacks vs USA:

OK, can someone explain the hairstyle atrocity adopted by so many of the All Blacks - Mo’unga and Tupea and Havili among them? They’re all sporting this curly perm at the back of their heads. Like an ‘80s mullet but teased into tight curls. My avatar Earle Kirton is spinning in his grave.

They don’t have Nugget on tour to do their hair?

ABs would have been better off if Perenara had signed with the Roosters. ABs looked better when Christie was on.

Didn't look like any injuries which is good.

Hard to read too much into much else. Could have been an even bigger scoreline if the ABs had picked a left wing who is an actual attacking threat.

Not much to learn from a game like that, but I liked Vaaii's workrate and passing game, and thought Christie was very accurate with his passing.

Young De Groot did well with some ball carries, and that is something we need from our front rowers. QT was also pretty effective on the carry.

Looking forward it will be interesting to see if those guys can bring that accuracy and physicality against much better teams.

Ennor looked quite at home on the wing, he was pretty up and down at center, throwing too many passes that didn't need to go.

That try to Jordan off the line-out looks like something they'll put back in the bag and I bet we see it tried in a tight game against a much better opponent.

Just finished watching, I'm both annoyed and happy that we didn't crack the ton.

@nepia said in All Blacks vs USA:

Just finished watching, I'm both annoyed and happy that we didn't crack the ton.

I think you missed the last try.

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs USA:

@nepia said in All Blacks vs USA:

Just finished watching, I'm both annoyed and happy that we didn't crack the ton.

I think you missed the last try.

Yep, wrote that 30 seconds before the last try.

@kiwimurph and sill plenty of back up in Hall & Drummond, with other good young half backs coming through to.

@stag said in All Blacks vs USA:

@kiwimurph and sill plenty of back up in Hall & Drummond, with other good young half backs coming through to.

Bro, no and no.

It's pretty obvious why the NZRU are fighting hard on Fakatava's eligibility. TJ is well on the way out and the young guys either aren't ready or aren't big enough for the big boy tests.

Haven't read the thread but udging by the post above others are thinking along the same lines - the biggest take from the game for me is that it is well and truly time to put TJ out to pasture.

A real shame. I thought he was going to be something special when he first came on the scene but I reckon he has never been the same since his leg injury a few years ago.

@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs USA:

Haven't read the thread but udging by the post above others are thinking along the same lines - the biggest take from the game for me is that it is well and truly time to put TJ out to pasture.

A real shame. I thought he was going to be something special when he first came on the scene but I reckon he has never been the same since his leg injury a few years ago.

He doesn't pass with his legs!
His support play is still top notch it's the distribution that is crap.

@crucial said in All Blacks vs USA:

@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs USA:

Haven't read the thread but udging by the post above others are thinking along the same lines - the biggest take from the game for me is that it is well and truly time to put TJ out to pasture.

A real shame. I thought he was going to be something special when he first came on the scene but I reckon he has never been the same since his leg injury a few years ago.

He doesn't pass with his legs!
His support play is still top notch it's the distribution that is crap.

Maybe it stuffed him mentally?