@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@chimoaus I disagree. Live at the ground it looked dodgy as hell, it really wasn't just a rugby incident or timing.

There was another ruck about the same time, I'll check it as well... It also looked dodgy

With all due respect NZZP, I really think live at ground the ref who was right there would of seen if it dodgy etc, and even TMO etc never seemed to call for replay.
I think almost every counter ruck is similar, and if we can't have shoulder to shoulder contact in rugby , we can't compete!

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Dan54 im sure there are others but you really are the first person ive "met" that would have been surprised if a card was given for that based on similar rulings

this is what is so frustrating, this is just a penalty but we see cards given for things like knock downs

I've never seen a card for a knock down, now you're just making stuff up!

@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Crucial It was clear as Crucial, and that was my point, there is no way it was a card,!

I wouldn't say 'clear as'. The trouble here is the ref interpretation (or law ignoring) that judges a finger on the ruck constitutes binding. SB is touching the ruck so doesn't need to come from behind last players. Ireland 6 is touching the ruck so is deemed part of it and the ball not out.
Timing is out from SB because of the ball wasn't picked up. That's what he was pinged for (as an advantage)

@Machpants ive 100% seen a card for "deliberate knock down/on"...and it it wasn't even down, NPC game a couple of years ago, the Otago player reaches and pops the ball up...flys well out of his reach...runs and dives to regather but misses, yellow card, didn't have realistic chance of successfully intercepting

@Crucial said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Crucial It was clear as Crucial, and that was my point, there is no way it was a card,!

I wouldn't say 'clear as'. The trouble here is the ref interpretation (or law ignoring) that judges a finger on the ruck constitutes binding. SB is touching the ruck so doesn't need to come from behind last players. Ireland 6 is touching the ruck so is deemed part of it and the ball not out.
Timing is out from SB because of the ball wasn't picked up. That's what he was pinged for (as an advantage)

I saying it clear it wasn't a card for dangerous play, as ref said it was shoulder on shoulder contact, and that is clearly not a card, if someone wants to say it should of been for something else, well that up to them' Also Ta'avo seems in offside position to me .

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

In breaking news, Cane’s injury from earlier this season has flared up and he’s been ruled out, Whitelock has caught COVID, Ardie has symptoms - Scott Barrett has been named AB captain

Fuck I hope this is not true, reported anywhere?

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants ive 100% seen a card for "deliberate knock down/on"...and it it wasn't even down, NPC game a couple of years ago, the Otago player reaches and pops the ball up...flys well out of his reach...runs and dives to regather but misses, yellow card, didn't have realistic chance of successfully intercepting

I was taking the piss, no such thing as a knock down (unless you are talking about an opponent), only knock on.

@chimoaus said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

In breaking news, Cane’s injury from earlier this season has flared up and he’s been ruled out, Whitelock has caught COVID, Ardie has symptoms - Scott Barrett has been named AB captain

Fuck I hope this is not true, reported anywhere?

@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants ive 100% seen a card for "deliberate knock down/on"...and it it wasn't even down, NPC game a couple of years ago, the Otago player reaches and pops the ball up...flys well out of his reach...runs and dives to regather but misses, yellow card, didn't have realistic chance of successfully intercepting

I was taking the piss, no such thing as a knock down (unless you are talking about an opponent), only knock on.

fuck you, i just wasted 5 minutes searching to find the video :cat_face_with_tears_of_joy: ...2017 otago v Ta$man if anyone cares

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants ive 100% seen a card for "deliberate knock down/on"...and it it wasn't even down, NPC game a couple of years ago, the Otago player reaches and pops the ball up...flys well out of his reach...runs and dives to regather but misses, yellow card, didn't have realistic chance of successfully intercepting

I was taking the piss, no such thing as a knock down (unless you are talking about an opponent), only knock on.

fuck you, i just wasted 5 minutes searching to find the video :cat_face_with_tears_of_joy: ...2017 otago v Ta$man if anyone cares

Haha, well it's in the laws twice, but nothing to do with the ball!

Law 9: Foul play

A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without attempting to grasp that player.

Law application guidelines

Charging into the ruck

Dangerous charging. A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without trying to grasp that player.

@Machpants i think its clear i was talking about knock on, i just used the term "down" because, knocking it up can be argued there is a chance to intercept but where it cant really if its knocked straight down

should have known someone would be a pedant and point out "the laws say knock ON"

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants i think its clear i was talking about knock on, i just used the term "down" because, knocking it up can be argued there is a chance to intercept but where it cant really if its knocked straight down

should have known someone would be a pedant and point out "the laws say knock ON"

Totally, any chance to be a pain in the arse, I'll take it! But there are certain posters on here that take that term as a personal affront!

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.

holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs

absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.

plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time. No one can change the facts it was not a penalty, But the offside by SB was.

The 2nd test is 5 days away, the team isn’t named until Thursday (I think it’s Thursday, can anyone confirm that?), so there is plenty of time to waste…

@Chris i can concede that if he'd come through the gate then i could be drawn to the shoulder to shoulder/ fair contest side of things....but i kind of figure when you're THAT offside then you're opening yourself up to every inch of criticism

i dont think its unfair to say the irish dude doesn't expect to get hit, he's looking up and seeing one of his guys in front of him, so it is quite different in my mid to the same hit in open play

@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.

holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs

absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.

plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.

Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.

holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs

absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.

plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.

Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.

quote it so we can have a laugh

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time. No one can change the facts it was not a penalty, But the offside by SB was.

The 2nd test is 5 days away, the team isn’t named until Thursday (I think it’s Thursday, can anyone confirm that?), so there is plenty of time to waste…

Keep wasting your time talking about it, no problems its all hot air anyway.Highlander's will give you something to talk about over the next couple of weeks.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.

holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs

absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.

plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.

Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.

quote it so we can have a laugh

Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.