All Black midfield options

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

Beaver!

@JC said in All Blacks v England:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

Beaver!

I think the shirt might be a little bit tighter but he actually does have the frame if not the speed..

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Thanks. He's apparently got the frame (1.87m) to put more weight on.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

I raised the question of SS at 13. He runs amazing lines and seems to break the line consistently. I did acknowledge I know nothing of his defensive capabilities or his distribution skills. For other 13s, Umaga-Jenson brothers?

I split this off from one of the match threads. I'm the midfield conversation will go on longer than this weekend

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

and whats the point of the ABXV if not to be a stepping stone for new talent

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Heem is another one in the mix (I wouldn't have said that before the AB xv squad selection)

Big, fast and can play 11,12,13,14 with a lower error rate than most of the other options

I doubt he'd get capped under normal circumstances. However if there was an injury on the eve of the RWC I think he might get the nod.

@Duluth said in All Black midfield options:

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Heem is another one in the mix (I wouldn't have said that before the AB xv squad selection)

Big, fast and can play 11,12,13,14 with a lower error rate than most of the other options

I doubt he'd get capped under normal circumstances. However if there was an injury on the eve of the RWC I think he might get the nod.

I assume they took him along to see whether he can be the guy who gets minutes when there is an emergency and will be a good tourer for exactly that reason.

I think it was Ted (maybe Shag) who said that's what helped to keep Andy Ellis in the ABs, despite perhaps not being the absolute third best option, he was a great squaddie and tourer who knew his role and could perform if needed.

@Duluth said in All Black midfield options:

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Heem is another one in the mix (I wouldn't have said that before the AB xv squad selection)

Big, fast and can play 11,12,13,14 with a lower error rate than most of the other options

I doubt he'd get capped under normal circumstances. However if there was an injury on the eve of the RWC I think he might get the nod.

Pretty much the Richard Kahui for this cycle, not the top choice but experienced, makes few mistakes and is big, fast and skillfull.

@gt12 that's another good comparison.

@Kirwan said in All Black midfield options:

@Duluth said in All Black midfield options:

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Heem is another one in the mix (I wouldn't have said that before the AB xv squad selection)

Big, fast and can play 11,12,13,14 with a lower error rate than most of the other options

I doubt he'd get capped under normal circumstances. However if there was an injury on the eve of the RWC I think he might get the nod.

Pretty much the Richard Kahui for this cycle, not the top choice but experienced, makes few mistakes and is big, fast and skillfull.

Would Handsome Richie become first choice if he stayed healthy? He was there in the 2011 finals...

@Kirwan said in All Black midfield options:

@Duluth said in All Black midfield options:

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Heem is another one in the mix (I wouldn't have said that before the AB xv squad selection)

Big, fast and can play 11,12,13,14 with a lower error rate than most of the other options

I doubt he'd get capped under normal circumstances. However if there was an injury on the eve of the RWC I think he might get the nod.

Pretty much the Richard Kahui for this cycle, not the top choice but experienced, makes few mistakes and is big, fast and skillfull.

although I thought Kahui was an absolute star on the wing for the ABs-did he have a bad game there? I don't recall one.

If Heem olayed 4 years for the AB 7s he must be pretty handy. Seems about SBW size (1.93, 103-105kg) as well. That would be a big midfield with Jordie.

@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

I raised the question of SS at 13. He runs amazing lines and seems to break the line consistently. I did acknowledge I know nothing of his defensive capabilities or his distribution skills. For other 13s, Umaga-Jenson brothers?

I'm on the UJ bandwagon. As someone pointed out they are injury magnets esp TUJ. But I still think they were worth a look at XV-level. Edit oh and on SS, well it wouldn't have hurt to try him out but I guess that window has closed now.

@nostrildamus said in All Black midfield options:

@Kirwan said in All Black midfield options:

@Duluth said in All Black midfield options:

@Stargazer said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

The only one I can think of is Bailyn Sullivan, who was good for All Blacks XV. But he's more a fast guy than a big physical specimen. I can't see Stevenson at 13 at all.

Heem is another one in the mix (I wouldn't have said that before the AB xv squad selection)

Big, fast and can play 11,12,13,14 with a lower error rate than most of the other options

I doubt he'd get capped under normal circumstances. However if there was an injury on the eve of the RWC I think he might get the nod.

Pretty much the Richard Kahui for this cycle, not the top choice but experienced, makes few mistakes and is big, fast and skillfull.

although I thought Kahui was an absolute star on the wing for the ABs-did he have a bad game there? I don't recall one.

If Heem olayed 4 years for the AB 7s he must be pretty handy. Seems about SBW size (1.93, 103-105kg) as well. That would be a big midfield with Jordie.

Handsome Richie was fucking awful for the Chiefs after his 1st or was it his 2nd big injury. Couldn't catch, pass or tackle but by some miracle the Zoo picked him. And he was insane. Was it against Wales where he came on for a cameo and tore them a new arsehole? He also brought the sexy bitches to the games too so...

@nostrildamus said in All Black midfield options:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

I raised the question of SS at 13. He runs amazing lines and seems to break the line consistently. I did acknowledge I know nothing of his defensive capabilities or his distribution skills. For other 13s, Umaga-Jenson brothers?

I'm on the UJ bandwagon. As someone pointed out they are injury magnets esp TUJ. But I still think they were worth a look at XV-level. Edit oh and on SS, well it wouldn't have hurt to try him out but I guess that window has closed now.

I reckon SS is an AB next year.

@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Black midfield options:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Black midfield options:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

In rare compliment to Foster team they did well to stick with Ioane at 13 despite criticism of him there but the wider midfield cupboard is so crazily bare. Ennor is a quick no from me there, they should have maybe tried Big Leicester there (or Nankivell at 12) but are there any more options at 13? Did someone say Shaun Stevenson? Athletically yes, but decision-making seems too risky to me..

< thinks, haven't had any crazy ideas lately >...
Is there any back with heaps of AB experience but hasn't locked down their chosen background, with intimate knowledge of the AB game plan and team mates, who can step in in an emergency, has a kicking game, reasonably fast, unpredictable, not much smaller than Ioane, underrated at tackling, can pass, plays well with Jordie?

I raised the question of SS at 13. He runs amazing lines and seems to break the line consistently. I did acknowledge I know nothing of his defensive capabilities or his distribution skills. For other 13s, Umaga-Jenson brothers?

I'm on the UJ bandwagon. As someone pointed out they are injury magnets esp TUJ. But I still think they were worth a look at XV-level. Edit oh and on SS, well it wouldn't have hurt to try him out but I guess that window has closed now.

I reckon SS is an AB next year.

at RWC? Worth a punt on a new hat. But I won't wager, I think there will be risky last-minute injury replacements.

I'm super excited about what Jordie and Rieko can do as a combination. They are both world class players in their own right and compliment each other perfectly. Half the reason I was so annoyed about the Havili selection is I'm desperate to see them play together more. Barring injury I'm expecting them to be our centre pairing for this WC and the next, and go down as one of our best ever.

@No-Quarter said in All Black midfield options:

I'm super excited about what Jordie and Rieko can do as a combination. They are both world class players in their own right and compliment each other perfectly. Half the reason I was so annoyed about the Havili selection is I'm desperate to see them play together more. Barring injury I'm expecting them to be our centre pairing for this WC and the next, and go down as one of our best ever.

I was with you until the final line