Black Caps v England

Well, a bit going on with NZC.

Jamieson and Henry both out of the test - but we won't pick Boult, so it's Duffy and Keggelijn. Not impressed, some of the selections we get are bloody bizarre.

Was scheduled for my first trip to the Mount - 3 days of gloriousness. Unfortunately bloody Covid just reared its head and I'll now be on the couch ... this summer has been a bit average so far. Annoying.

Go the Black Caps, gutted I won't be there.

Mods: is this the most recent thread? I couldn't find another ... maybe update to NZ Cricket 22/23...

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Engalnd:

Mods: is this the most recent thread? I couldn't find another ... maybe update to NZ Cricket 22/23...

Might as well have a new thread for the series

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Winter is here for cricket fans

@canefan said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Winter is here for NZ cricket fans

FIFY.

Hopefully!

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

The decision totally smacks of Stead being pissy.
This isn't about the coach it is about the team and although Boult can't commit to a test programme he may be able to commit to a game in a crisis.
They are going to look really stupid when he takes a crowd catch off a debutant bowler being smashed around.

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

Well, a bit going on with NZC.

Jamieson and Henry both out of the test - but we won't pick Boult, so it's Duffy and Keggelijn. Not impressed, some of the selections we get are bloody bizarre.

According to a Cricinfo article, Stead chose Kuggleijn and Duffy for their "resilience"

Could this man be any more conservative...

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

Stead confirmed that Boult is able to play under his contract but they have chosen to ignore his availability in favour of going down the list further.
I doubt that anyone's contract will give them 'rights' regarding selection.
Selectors probably feel that they need to blood someone else as this situation isn't going away fast and that they want to send the right message to fringe players.

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

Stead confirmed that Boult is able to play under his contract but they have chosen to ignore his availability in favour of going down the list further.
I doubt that anyone's contract will give them 'rights' regarding selection.
Selectors probably feel that they need to blood someone else as this situation isn't going away fast and that they want to send the right message to fringe players.

Being available does not mean you will be selected over a contracted player I have seen all that stuff before.
What is said to the media is not always what transpires.

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

Stead confirmed that Boult is able to play under his contract but they have chosen to ignore his availability in favour of going down the list further.
I doubt that anyone's contract will give them 'rights' regarding selection.
Selectors probably feel that they need to blood someone else as this situation isn't going away fast and that they want to send the right message to fringe players.

Being available does not mean you will be selected over a contracted player I have seen all that stuff before.
What is said to the media is not always what transpires.

My understanding is that Boult is contracted and his contract does not stop him playing tests. I will look back for the original press.

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

Stead confirmed that Boult is able to play under his contract but they have chosen to ignore his availability in favour of going down the list further.
I doubt that anyone's contract will give them 'rights' regarding selection.
Selectors probably feel that they need to blood someone else as this situation isn't going away fast and that they want to send the right message to fringe players.

Being available does not mean you will be selected over a contracted player I have seen all that stuff before.
What is said to the media is not always what transpires.

My understanding is that Boult is contracted and his contract does not stop him playing tests. I will look back for the original press.

I believe he has not got a contract as he turned down the contract.

from this article
New Zealand Cricket has agreed to release Trent Boult from his central contract after the fast bowler requested to spend more time with his family and to make himself available for T20 leagues. His international career is now likely to be "significantly reduced".

We respect Trent's position," White said. "He's been completely honest and up-front with us about his reasoning and, while we're sad to be losing him as a fully-contracted player, he leaves with our best wishes and our sincere thanks.

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

Stead confirmed that Boult is able to play under his contract but they have chosen to ignore his availability in favour of going down the list further.
I doubt that anyone's contract will give them 'rights' regarding selection.
Selectors probably feel that they need to blood someone else as this situation isn't going away fast and that they want to send the right message to fringe players.

Being available does not mean you will be selected over a contracted player I have seen all that stuff before.
What is said to the media is not always what transpires.

My understanding is that Boult is contracted and his contract does not stop him playing tests. I will look back for the original press.

I believe he has not got a contract as he turned down the contract.

Yes, I had it wrong from a statement the other day.

He has turned in his central contract and David White said it was on the understanding that centrally contracted players would take precedence.

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris said in Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:

For clarity, I'd take Boult in a heartbeat if he was fit. Get another few tests out of him - losing two bowlers in short order and having to play 2 debutants is teh definition of needing a band aid.

I fear we are going to be pumped. Not looking good at all, despite my usual optimism in regard to NZ cricket performances.

Yeah - Stead saying Trent's not ruled out from anything - but, he's fit and available and we're two bowlers down. When would you pick him then?

NZC don't appear to have a hard and fast policy, so pick the best available XI.

NZCC Contracts may come into play in selections.

Stead confirmed that Boult is able to play under his contract but they have chosen to ignore his availability in favour of going down the list further.
I doubt that anyone's contract will give them 'rights' regarding selection.
Selectors probably feel that they need to blood someone else as this situation isn't going away fast and that they want to send the right message to fringe players.

Being available does not mean you will be selected over a contracted player I have seen all that stuff before.
What is said to the media is not always what transpires.

My understanding is that Boult is contracted and his contract does not stop him playing tests. I will look back for the original press.

I believe he has not got a contract as he turned down the contract.

Yes, I had it wrong from a statement the other day.

He has turned in his central contract and David White said it was on the understanding that centrally contracted players would take precedence.

Yes it normally is that way and if you give up your contract you understand that is the way.

Tickner was added to the Central contracts but I don't believe Son of Sledge or Duffy have been so the priority call doesn't fit.

Can someone enlighten me what the selectors see in Tickner?

He averages 35 with the ball in first class cricket.

He hasn't impressed with his chances for the Black Caps.

How does he keep getting selected?

@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v England:

Can someone enlighten me what the selectors see in Tickner?

He averages 35 with the ball in first class cricket.

He hasn't impressed with his chances for the Black Caps.

How does he keep getting selected?

Yes. Sort of. What would not be obvious from a look at his FC average.

• Poor (statisticsl) start to his FC career, so the headline average is not that relevant.
• Quite good for NZ A.
• More importantly, quite good for NZ A as first change, rather than new ball.

But, make no bones, it will be a stretch for him, on talent. Exacerbated by not slotting in to a settled bowling unit.

Trent played in the T20 World Cup in November, well after he turned down his contract.

So seems like they don't have a hard and fast rule.

If they had all their centrally contracted test bowlers available I can see why they'd give Trent a miss. But, in this situation?

If they're not picking him for this test, it's pretty hard to see when they would.

Boult will be used for white ball cricket.

I am surprised Sears wasn't selected, unless he is injured.