We had votes on each position back in 2019. Does this still look like the best AB xv based on performances at RWCs?
1 Woodcock
2 Fitzpatrick
3 Brown
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Kaino
7 Mccaw
8 Z Brooke
9 Bachop
10 Carter
11 Lomu
12 Nonu
13 Smith
14 Kirwan
15 Gallagher
Full voting results tables
Yeah fullback was one of the more debatable ones
Gallagher 36%
Osbourne 33%
Dagg 18%
Mils 7%
B Smith 4%
MacDonald 2%
2019 was B Barrett. I can't even remember how he went
In some positions it's almost impossible for a 2023 player to force their way in. Left wing for example
Fullback and halfback might be the easiest to get past? Smith & Barrett have a chance?
Ben Smith was worth more than 4% of the vote. I'd rate him over Dagg, even if Dagg was more spectacular.
Based purely on RWC form?
@Bovidae said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
I am surprised Aaron Smith is a distant third. He can have a huge 2023 and soar to the top!
Yeah this was done before the 2019 cup.
So it's Smith's 2015 tournament vs Bachop's 1991/1995 & Kirk's 1987
[edit - oops forgot Bachop was the halfback in 91 too]
@Duluth said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
In some positions it's almost impossible for a 2023 player to force their way in. Left wing for example
Fullback and halfback might be the easiest to get past? Smith & Barrett have a chance?
I reckon Ardie has a very good chance, but we'd have to win.
@Duluth said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
@Bovidae said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
I am surprised Aaron Smith is a distant third. He can have a huge 2023 and soar to the top!
Yeah this was done before the 2019 cup.
So it's Smith's 2015 tournament vs Bachop's 1995 & Kirk's 1987
I wonder if Smith would already be ahead if we did it now based on his two tournament v Bachops two?
I have no problem with Kipper at fullback, he was on fire in 1987.
In an alternate world Cullen wins it for 1999 and 2003. Fuck you Hart.
@Bones said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
I reckon Ardie has a very good chance
Thumbs down.
@Duluth said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
Based purely on RWC form?
At his best, I thought Ben Smith was a key player for us. But happy to go back and compare to Dagg's involvement.
@Duluth said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
Yeah fullback was one of the more debatable ones
Gallagher 36%
Osbourne 33%
Dagg 18%
Mils 7%
B Smith 4%
MacDonald 2%2019 was B Barrett. I can't even remember how he went
No CC?
@canefan said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
@Duluth said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
Yeah fullback was one of the more debatable ones
Gallagher 36%
Osbourne 33%
Dagg 18%
Mils 7%
B Smith 4%
MacDonald 2%2019 was B Barrett. I can't even remember how he went
No CC?
World Cup performances..
He came 4th in the centre poll
@Nepia said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
Thumbs down.
Why's that? You don't like someone regularly coming up with game changing moments or don't like the ABs winning the world cup? Both?
@Bones said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
@Nepia said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
Thumbs down.
Why's that? You don't like someone regularly coming up with game changing moments or don't like the ABs winning the world cup? Both?
I want both, I just don't think Ardie's going to surpass Brooke (or even Read and Buck).
@Duluth said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
@Bovidae said in TSF's Best RWC All Blacks xv (from 2019):
I am surprised Aaron Smith is a distant third. He can have a huge 2023 and soar to the top!
Yeah this was done before the 2019 cup.
So it's Smith's 2015 tournament vs Bachop's 1991/1995 & Kirk's 1987
[edit - oops forgot Bachop was the halfback in 91 too]
Kirk? Really? Adequate but no superstar.
