@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:

What’s becoming obvious, is how far South Africa are ahead of the pack,

It’s them , then the rest battling it out

Yet they got smacked by the Wallabies at home and lost convincingly to us at Eden Park. Their ceiling is the highest but they too are inconsistent

Not as consistent as our 2011 -2015 side but there is no real sign of a decline , if anything they might be getting better and the way it’s looking right now , they could be on their way to winning their third World Cup in a row . Going to be difficult to deny their greatness if that happens.

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

Mils has it. We have some great players. But we continue to be inconsistent in the same areas. I think he's saying the fault is with Razor without saying it. Goldie is chiming in too, saying we aren't playing what's in front of us. Mils and Goldie are gutted, Taylah Johnson is the pitch side interviewer who notes how many of the players don't seem that gutted to lose the way she expected them to

THe losing margin would be in the top 10 in All Black history.

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

Hahaha. He's barely had any rugby, he's shown promise for the Canes at 10.

I blame the fluoro boots

@Jet Fakatava is the second best half back in New Zealand and in some games ,depending on the opposition, could be a starter. Has some X factor and a sense of when something is on.

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

Hahaha. He's barely had any rugby, he's shown promise for the Canes at 10.

You would hope that the Board will be asking him for an explanation as to why Love was not given more game time. It's ridiculous not to build depth in a position where the three guys that you are pinning your hopes on are all in their 30s.

@DasBoot said in England Vs All Blacks:

BB, SB, Savea time to move on. Time to rebuild before it gets worse. Passengers like ALB and a few others need to finish up too.
Build a team around Roigard as Captain and take it from there and weed out the rest over the next year.
Parker, Proctor and possibly even Carter haven't stepped up unfortunately.
Front row and locks mostly ok.
Find a safe old school no.10 and look for flair elsewhere. Midfield is tough, no one standing out.

He's playing in Europe. We have some good loosies playing or about to play overseas as well...

All Blacks have regressed so badly since 2019. 2021 and 2022 were mediocre years.

2023 despite making the RWC final was masked by the fact we played a Ireland team in the quarter finals who were cooked and past their best.

Razor should be sacked along with his fraudulent yes men assistants.

Winning starts in the front office and hopefully Kirk and co hire the right person this time and not a useless fluffy bunny like Mark Robinson.

All Blacks nowadays are more worried about corporate stuff than actually winning rugby games.

On the performance, Beauden should pull the pin, disaster class with the kicking was totally outplayed by Ford. Scott Barrett should be moved on as captain and hopefully one of Hotham, Pledger or Fakatava step up next year so we don't see Ratima on the bench.

I'd make Codie Taylor the captain with Roigard as the vice captain.

DMac 10 with Ruben Love as the impact sub covering 10 and 15. Lack of depth at 10 across NZ rugby is very concerning. Never seen 10 depth is limited as is it right now and need Reihana to go to a another level next year in Super Rugby along with Jacomb and Millar.

@KiwiMurph

And, to tie it all together, we don't have a clear system of play.

I believe it all started going downhill once the control of play was handed over to players who rely on seeing 'pictures' and 'opportunities'. There is a lot of fake-looking space on a rugby field, especially against a rush defense, and these guys can't get themselves out of the shit once they get in it because they don't have systems to fall back on.

I'm reminded of how military battles have been won by careful planning where all parties know what to do and when to do it - NCOs and soldiers themselves are entrusted to make decisions, but everyone is aligned on strategy and tactics. The ABs haven't really played with a strong strategic hand for quite some time - although it did improve once Schmidt joined and nearly helped us steal the WC.

I wonder whether we need a modern AB rugby version of Major General Sir Leslie Morshead - an absolute pain in the ass who drilled his men relentlessly in a strategic pattern until they could respond automatically and win using their individual skills without his of officer's instruction.

Who in Razor's team has that role? If everyone is turning responsibility to the players, that only works if they are prepared enough and there is sufficient clarity.

@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:

The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks

Ardie goes to bench.

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

Hahaha. He's barely had any rugby, he's shown promise for the Canes at 10.

No shit, Razor hasn’t selected him.

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

Fozzie used to do stuff like that. Put a reserve on to start with a bunch of other reserves, and watch them fail

@gt12 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph

And, to tie it all together, we don't have a clear system of play.

I believe it all started going downhill once the control of play was handed over to players who rely on seeing 'pictures' and 'opportunities'. There is a lot of fake-looking space on a rugby field, especially against a rush defense, and these guys can't get themselves out of the shit once they get in it because they don't have systems to fall back on.

I'm reminded of how military battles have been won by careful planning where all parties know what to do and when to do it - NCOs and soldiers themselves are entrusted to make decisions, but everyone is aligned on strategy and tactics. The ABs haven't really played with a strong strategic hand for quite some time - although it did improve once Schmidt joined and nearly helped us steal the WC.

I wonder whether we need a modern AB rugby version of Major General Sir Leslie Morshead - an absolute pain in the ass who drilled his men relentlessly in a strategic pattern until they could respond automatically and win using their individual skills without his of officer's instruction.

Who in Razor's team has that role? If everyone is turning responsibility to the players, that only works if they are prepared enough and there is sufficient clarity.

And yet, sometimes we seem to be very rigid, failing to see and take advantage of opportunities that arise during open play. It's all very puzzling

The absolute state of this presser.

Body language and messaging is abysmal.

Insipid. The pair of them.

LF for me has been very much hit and miss. He does make things happen but he is also a very slopply player in defence, in his handling, and in his discipline. He's arguably the most inaccurate back in the squad. I think whether good outweighs the bad is up for debate.

Knew the result, read the thread, then watched the game. Blimey. Never seen a more apathetic AB team. England dominated the entire game. Won nearly every contact, ABs constantly beaten in the tackle and at the breakdown. Wow. ABs don’t look fit enough - lazy off the ball, can’t remember ever saying that before.

12-0 down but still felt like we were the better side. Ben Earl was immense, Pepper was great. But it wasn’t about individuals, they won every aspect of the game, contact after contact.

As for England, they still don’t look great structure wise but bugger me they smashed the ABs all over the park.

@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:

Knew the result, read the thread, then watched the game. Blimey. Never seen a more apathetic AB team. England dominated the entire game. Won nearly every contact, ABs constantly beaten in the tackle and at the breakdown. Wow. ABs don’t look fit enough - lazy off the ball, can’t remember ever saying that before.

12-0 down but still felt like we were the better side. Ben Earl was immense, Pepper was great. But it wasn’t about individuals, they won every aspect of the game, contact after contact.

As for England, they still don’t look great structure wise but bugger me they smashed the ABs all over the park.

Enjoy the win mate, your boys deserved it

@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:

Knew the result, read the thread, then watched the game. Blimey. Never seen a more apathetic AB team. England dominated the entire game. Won nearly every contact, ABs constantly beaten in the tackle and at the breakdown. Wow. ABs don’t look fit enough - lazy off the ball, can’t remember ever saying that before.

12-0 down but still felt like we were the better side. Ben Earl was immense, Pepper was great. But it wasn’t about individuals, they won every aspect of the game, contact after contact.

While I take your point generally, Englands lineout was woeful and any half decent team could have won the game on their lineout failure alone.

Lineout was the only area we got smashed, but every time it didn’t seem to result in much as we made metres in defence and attack one out. It’s genuinely weird, I’m not celebrating it, just gobsmacked

Scott Barrett on the yellow card "I think its fair".

Razor on the yellow card "its cynical isnt it".

You pair of absolute fucking twats.