@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.

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The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.

Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.

Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.

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The support work at the ruck/contact is incredible. And watch Nonu calmly waiting for the ball to bounce along to him, taking the perfect line to tie up THREE Irish defenders while Cruden, 16 & Crotty anticipate the space created. A team at ease playing together.

The more I watch Robertson's team, the more I think things aren't right in the camp

The current crop are petrified.

We struggled with the ball and were even poorer without it.

Team looks fatigued, small and worst of all, disinterested.

The only win for me was turning down a ticket and not going.

they do not know what to do when they have the ball.

Biggest takeaway from yesterday was England were the more physically dominant team.

ABs completed more passes, had majority of possession and the territorial advantage yet had three fewer line breaks. England had more dominant tackles and effected more turnovers.

England had the upper hand in the collisions and at the breakdown. Lakai is the only AB loosie who would have a claim to a position in a combined NZ/Eng backrow based on yesterday's performance. Pollock clearly had more impact off the bench than Sititi.

Impressed and surprised to hear Wilson mention Papalii, Jacobson, and Mark Telea as experienced players who were available but haven't been selected. Also got a shot in about trying a 6-2 bench.

Also Wilson: "We spent years, and years trying to work out how to win World Cups. We let all that expertise walk out the door, and now those coaches don't want a bar of us. We burned those bridges."

That is not something that I ever expected to hear on the Breakdown.

@Tim

"Are we taking what worked in Super Rugby and trying it in test rugby. That's what I see happening, and I don't see it working."

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim

"Are we taking what worked in Super Rugby and trying it in test rugby. That's what I see happening, and I don't see it working."

It's why Leicester and Quinn worked in the midfield at short notice.

Test footy is about winning collisions. Go forward ball. Territory.

If we had say a Harry Plummer at 10, Sam Cane at 7 and a Harry Wilson at 8 we probably win that game.

We lost that game due to the nuts and bolts not being good enough. Kicking pens, finding touch, cleaning out rucks, carrying hard.

Our current players are all icing. But no cake.

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim

"Are we taking what worked in Super Rugby and trying it in test rugby. That's what I see happening, and I don't see it working."

Go back and watch Crusaders vs the Lions in 2017. The same things were said after the Lions won that game. Who was the Crusaders coach?

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim

"Are we taking what worked in Super Rugby and trying it in test rugby. That's what I see happening, and I don't see it working."

It's why Leicester and Quinn worked in the midfield at short notice.

Test footy is about winning collisions. Go forward ball. Territory.

If we had say a Harry Plummer at 10, Sam Cane at 7 and a Harry Wilson at 8 we probably win that game.

We lost that game due to the nuts and bolts not being good enough. Kicking pens, finding touch, cleaning out rucks, carrying hard.

Our current players are all icing. But no cake.

Parker is wearing Kaino's jersey......didnt see him all game.

Savea is wearing McCaws...didnt see him.

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim

"Are we taking what worked in Super Rugby and trying it in test rugby. That's what I see happening, and I don't see it working."

It's why Leicester and Quinn worked in the midfield at short notice.

Test footy is about winning collisions. Go forward ball. Territory.

If we had say a Harry Plummer at 10, Sam Cane at 7 and a Harry Wilson at 8 we probably win that game.

We lost that game due to the nuts and bolts not being good enough. Kicking pens, finding touch, cleaning out rucks, carrying hard.

Our current players are all icing. But no cake.

Feels very much like 2003 when Henry took over. He inherited the icing, as was seen in the 3N that year. Then he had to go and bake the cake. It took him until France in Paris in 2004 to find the recipe.

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim

"Are we taking what worked in Super Rugby and trying it in test rugby. That's what I see happening, and I don't see it working."

Go back and watch Crusaders vs the Lions in 2017. The same things were said after the Lions won that game. Who was the Crusaders coach?

Yes, and the Blues won their game due to the efforts of their loose forwards. Still can't get selected by shit NZ coaches.

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

Sam Cane at 7

Papalii is the bigger, faster, and better option.

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

Sam Cane at 7

Papalii is the bigger, faster, and better option.

In fairness to Dalton, he’s done what has been asked of him in the AB XV and led well. If he doesn’t get selected after a good tour, NZ may as well disband the XV and save the money to pour into fixing the development pathways that are broken!

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

@cgrant I disagree. I think Simon Parker is a project worth persevering with and Twickenham is great stage for him to show what he's got. I think his ball carrying will cause England some real problems.

What is your opinion now ?

@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

@cgrant I disagree. I think Simon Parker is a project worth persevering with and Twickenham is great stage for him to show what he's got. I think his ball carrying will cause England some real problems.

What is your opinion now ?

He is not even a patch on Liam Squire as it stands. Never mind Kaino.

@cgrant On the plus side he disrupted the English lineout and made ten tackles.

On the negative, he made three carries for zero metres gained and he doesn't hit enough rucks.

Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.

Vaii's defence at 6 was truly terrible. @brodean has the stats on that. Beehre will play lock for the Blues. Cam Christie is our player to watch there.

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.

Cam Christie is our player to watch there.

Only 21, but behind both Simon Parker and Devan Flanders for me at the moment.

God knows, what's going on with Samipeni Finau and why he had to go home?

6 will be a very open jersey next year.

@ACT-Crusader
Lakai was getting stuck in.
We can all see that our attack was rubbish. We literally give up at times and it results in a hope and hoist or low percentage cross kick by BB.
Ironically we have more attack runners than we have had in a long time but are using them ineffectively. Players like Sami, Williams, Vaai, Sititi, Lakai, Savea, Roigard, DMac, Jordan, Clarke are all good runners.
Send in Mauss to give Razor the heads up.