All Blacks wing options

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@Rugbyman said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

Narawa leaving it late to make an impression, he can't have played more than 2 games this year. I would have Moorby ahead of him right now.

Moorby offers a very safe but effective option on the right wing which the ABs might need this year. I think he could definitely be a smokey for that first squad of the year.

As Parson's mentioned on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod, it's good to have a big wing on the left (Clarke/Tangitau), and then a smooth operator on the right. He compared Moorby's playing style to a Jane/Bender type player which could be essential at a WC.

Don't forget Moorby was absolute class before he went to France, and he's starting to hit his stride again.

Moorby?
He might be the 3rd best wing at the Canes.

AB wing stocks is in a dire situation when Josh Moorby is in serious consideration.

The guy is a journeyman who racks up tries against Moana

There's still time for likes of Naholo, Taumoefolau to make a late run for consideration

Pleased to see Naholo starting this weekend

Wrong thread, but Moorby is a fullback playing on the wing.

@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

AB wing stocks is in a dire situation when Josh Moorby is in serious consideration.

The guy is a journeyman who racks up tries against Moana

There's still time for likes of Naholo, Taumoefolau to make a late run for consideration

Pleased to see Naholo starting this weekend

Lol you talk about Moorby being a journeyman and then go on to mention Taumoefolau who's body of work this season has been inferior to Moorby's.

Naholo could definitely make a run but I doubt we'll see two power wingers starting for the ABs.

@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

Wrong thread, but Moorby is a fullback playing on the wing.

Jane, Smith and Milner-Skudder say hi.

@Canes4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

AB wing stocks is in a dire situation when Josh Moorby is in serious consideration.

The guy is a journeyman who racks up tries against Moana

There's still time for likes of Naholo, Taumoefolau to make a late run for consideration

Pleased to see Naholo starting this weekend

Lol you talk about Moorby being a journeyman and then go on to mention Taumoefolau who's body of work this season has been inferior to Moorby's.

The reason I mention Taumoefolau is he has a higher ceiling that Moorby - will he reach it? We'll see. Possibly not. As I said he still has time - i didn't say his body of work was enough yet

@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

@Canes4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

AB wing stocks is in a dire situation when Josh Moorby is in serious consideration.

The guy is a journeyman who racks up tries against Moana

There's still time for likes of Naholo, Taumoefolau to make a late run for consideration

Pleased to see Naholo starting this weekend

Lol you talk about Moorby being a journeyman and then go on to mention Taumoefolau who's body of work this season has been inferior to Moorby's.

The reason I mention Taumoefolau is he has a higher ceiling that Moorby - will he reach it? We'll see. Possibly not. As I said he still has time - i didn't say his body of work was enough yet

He’s way too error ridden as a player atm for me. Maybe someone to look at post RWC once he has more experience.

On Moorby, we may not even need him with Tangitau, Jordan and Narawa probably the leading options as right wingers. I just feel he isn’t the worst choice if we start to get riddled with injuries.

Happy to continue this chat in the AB thread,

Start both Calebs

@Duluth said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

Start both Calebs

If we want to go all-out attack it has to be Clarke, Tangitau and Jordan

Be interesting having those 3 at the back. Would for sure be refreshing having 3 genuine outside backs in our back 3, as opposed to having a 10 at 15 and a 15ish player at 14. Do you lose some play making ability with this set up?

The only question for me is whether Rennie wants a playmaking fullback, in which case we only get two of Jordan/Tangitau/Clarke on the wings.
That wouldn't surprise me give his history - and you do need passers to put those guys into space, you can't just pick a team full of ball runners and go woah this is gonna be awesome (cause it won't be) - but there is undeniably a big 'get your most dangerous attacking players on the field' temptation to have Jordan at fullback with the Calebs.

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

The only question for me is whether Rennie wants a playmaking fullback, in which case we only get two of Jordan/Tangitau/Clarke on the wings.
That wouldn't surprise me give his history - and you do need passers to put those guys into space, you can't just pick a team full of ball runners and go woah this is gonna be awesome (cause it won't be) - but there is undeniably a big 'get your most dangerous attacking players on the field' temptation to have Jordan at fullback with the Calebs.

A lot of the kicking in the backfield will fall on our 10 dropping back but that's not necessarily the end of the world with most of our 10s being comfortable there. Those three players mentioned are not renowned for their kicking.

If we want a fullback ont he wing, then the obvious solution is to play Jordan there, and to find a new fullback… you could even argue Narawa could be considered a fullback on the wing.

Moorby? FMD. Classic case of a guy playing way above his station because he is in a good team.

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

The only question for me is whether Rennie wants a playmaking fullback, in which case we only get two of Jordan/Tangitau/Clarke on the wings.
That wouldn't surprise me give his history - and you do need passers to put those guys into space, you can't just pick a team full of ball runners and go woah this is gonna be awesome (cause it won't be) - but there is undeniably a big 'get your most dangerous attacking players on the field' temptation to have Jordan at fullback with the Calebs.

A lot of the kicking in the backfield will fall on our 10 dropping back but that's not necessarily the end of the world with most of our 10s being comfortable there. Those three players mentioned are not renowned for their kicking.

Yeah, I reckon we do need multiple kicking options - every force-back contest ends up using more than one kicker, so if you have one weak guy you lose those contests - and you don't want all the weight on one guy anyway, especially as Roigard keeps getting injured. The non-fullback way of achieving that is having Jordie at 12, but I think Tupaea has done enough to deserve that jersey.
Jordan is a runner with reasonable size and limited distribution. McKenzie is a playmaker who can run, with a very good boot - but small. Zarn with physical size and the massive boot. Those are the options basically, and they suit three really quite different game plans. Interesting times.

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

Wrong thread, but Moorby is a fullback playing on the wing.

Jane, Smith and Milner-Skudder say hi.

Ffs Moorby isn't comparable to those guys. As to your original post Moorby is bigger than Tangitau.

@brodean said in All Blacks wing options:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Highlanders:

Wrong thread, but Moorby is a fullback playing on the wing.

Jane, Smith and Milner-Skudder say hi.

Ffs Moorby isn't comparable to those guys. As to your original post Moorby is bigger than Tangitau.

I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying fullbacks can make good wingers. In fact, we've won our most recent WCs with that sort of player on the right wing.

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

The only question for me is whether Rennie wants a playmaking fullback, in which case we only get two of Jordan/Tangitau/Clarke on the wings.
That wouldn't surprise me give his history - and you do need passers to put those guys into space, you can't just pick a team full of ball runners and go woah this is gonna be awesome (cause it won't be) - but there is undeniably a big 'get your most dangerous attacking players on the field' temptation to have Jordan at fullback with the Calebs.

A lot of the kicking in the backfield will fall on our 10 dropping back but that's not necessarily the end of the world with most of our 10s being comfortable there. Those three players mentioned are not renowned for their kicking.

Yeah, I reckon we do need multiple kicking options - every force-back contest ends up using more than one kicker, so if you have one weak guy you lose those contests - and you don't want all the weight on one guy anyway, especially as Roigard keeps getting injured. The non-fullback way of achieving that is having Jordie at 12, but I think Tupaea has done enough to deserve that jersey.
Jordan is a runner with reasonable size and limited distribution. McKenzie is a playmaker who can run, with a very good boot - but small. Zarn with physical size and the massive boot. Those are the options basically, and they suit three really quite different game plans. Interesting times.

Zarn is so limited and he showed that again over the weekend. Harkin would be the better option if we are going for a kicking fullback that can also attack. McKenzie and Love need to focus on being a 10.

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

The only question for me is whether Rennie wants a playmaking fullback, in which case we only get two of Jordan/Tangitau/Clarke on the wings.
That wouldn't surprise me give his history - and you do need passers to put those guys into space, you can't just pick a team full of ball runners and go woah this is gonna be awesome (cause it won't be) - but there is undeniably a big 'get your most dangerous attacking players on the field' temptation to have Jordan at fullback with the Calebs.

A lot of the kicking in the backfield will fall on our 10 dropping back but that's not necessarily the end of the world with most of our 10s being comfortable there. Those three players mentioned are not renowned for their kicking.

Yeah, I reckon we do need multiple kicking options - every force-back contest ends up using more than one kicker, so if you have one weak guy you lose those contests - and you don't want all the weight on one guy anyway, especially as Roigard keeps getting injured. The non-fullback way of achieving that is having Jordie at 12, but I think Tupaea has done enough to deserve that jersey.
Jordan is a runner with reasonable size and limited distribution. McKenzie is a playmaker who can run, with a very good boot - but small. Zarn with physical size and the massive boot. Those are the options basically, and they suit three really quite different game plans. Interesting times.

Zarn is so limited and he showed that again over the weekend. Harkin would be the better option if we are going for a kicking fullback that can also attack. McKenzie and Love need to focus on being a 10.

Zarn is limited yes - but he has a bigger boot than anyone else in NZ and is physically the biggest fullback we have - so he provides something different. Whereas for me McKenzie, Jordan and Love can all play Harkin's game as well or better than he can.
Don't get me wrong, he's always been a good player and is having a great year, but so did the likes of Andre Taylor - if he can back it up through the playoffs and next year he might convert me fully - I wouldn't mind him in the great big bok squad as of now, but I wouldn't have him in the 23.

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks wing options:

@reprobate said in All Blacks wing options:

The only question for me is whether Rennie wants a playmaking fullback, in which case we only get two of Jordan/Tangitau/Clarke on the wings.
That wouldn't surprise me give his history - and you do need passers to put those guys into space, you can't just pick a team full of ball runners and go woah this is gonna be awesome (cause it won't be) - but there is undeniably a big 'get your most dangerous attacking players on the field' temptation to have Jordan at fullback with the Calebs.

A lot of the kicking in the backfield will fall on our 10 dropping back but that's not necessarily the end of the world with most of our 10s being comfortable there. Those three players mentioned are not renowned for their kicking.

Yeah, I reckon we do need multiple kicking options - every force-back contest ends up using more than one kicker, so if you have one weak guy you lose those contests - and you don't want all the weight on one guy anyway, especially as Roigard keeps getting injured. The non-fullback way of achieving that is having Jordie at 12, but I think Tupaea has done enough to deserve that jersey.
Jordan is a runner with reasonable size and limited distribution. McKenzie is a playmaker who can run, with a very good boot - but small. Zarn with physical size and the massive boot. Those are the options basically, and they suit three really quite different game plans. Interesting times.

Zarn is so limited and he showed that again over the weekend. Harkin would be the better option if we are going for a kicking fullback that can also attack. McKenzie and Love need to focus on being a 10.

Zarn is limited yes - but he has a bigger boot than anyone else in NZ and is physically the biggest fullback we have - so he provides something different. Whereas for me McKenzie, Jordan and Love can all play Harkin's game as well or better than he can.
Don't get me wrong, he's always been a good player and is having a great year, but so did the likes of Andre Taylor - if he can back it up through the playoffs and next year he might convert me fully - I wouldn't mind him in the great big bok squad as of now, but I wouldn't have him in the 23.

I'd prefer we move Jordie to the back and start Tupaea and Proctor in the centres.