lack of concentration is a bit of an issue, given you can destroy one scrum then lose another like that.
Plenty of poor decisions out there, too many 50-50 balls being thrown, some came off but didnt really gain much, and others didnt come off and lost possession.
One thing I was impressed by - Akira's defence. He has also developed his passing game this year. AB coaches would be pleased.
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Just torture being a Blues fan.
Yip. By rights you guys should have won that game. Amazing how little cohesion you had in attack.
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
One thing I was impressed by - Akira's defence. He has also developed his passing game this year. AB coaches would be pleased.
Yeah, that try saver on the line was huge. Would have liked to see him run from the back of at least one of those scrums.
@hydro11 said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Just torture being a Blues fan.
Yip. By rights you guys should have won that game. Amazing how little cohesion you had in attack.
Three games, three different centre pairings. Not helping.
@taniwharugby absolutely..you could in the main never fault the effort..but there were little moments in that game that killed the Blues..the try when the Hosts were down to 14 from a disorganisation clearance before halftime..
When they actually showed some desperation in the final 10,it was actually the best they looked in terms of ball handling in the whole game..
On saying all that..this competition apart from the Saders going on the merry way is some of the results really throwing the picks out the window.
@ShadowTrooper said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Tom Roibinson has been a positive though.
And surely Moulds has to start over Parsons now.
Parson threw a good lineout and made his offensive tackle for the year. Three rounds in and he's already hit his KPIs.
@antipodean said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Crazy-Horse said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Teams with the best coaches aren't dumb. Coincidence?
They can identify and recruit smarter players?
Quite possibly. But the best coaches also come up with game plans that suit their players. I have no idea if this is the problem with Blues though.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@chchfanatic said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@rotated what was the score
24-19
23-19
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@chchfanatic said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@rotated what was the score
24-19
23-19
Oops, the red mist hasn’t cleared yet.
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
One thing I was impressed by - Akira's defence. He has also developed his passing game this year. AB coaches would be pleased.
Does he look like he's added a bit more bulk this year to anyone else?
Too many things got fucked up five metres from the tryline and in pretty soft ways.
One thing... it won't win the Blues the title alone - but, it will win them a lot more games, and that is an effective lineout drive. I think I'm right that they didn't score from it at all last year? And haven't this year? They've got a big forward pack and lots of guys who've been around the ABs, and Coventry is supposedly a gun forwards coach - it's inexplicable.
Crusaders turned what could have been cliffhanger last night into a comfortable win by driving over from two lineouts.
A big improvement from last week. Which I wasn't expecting given the emotional situation going into this game
The attack started the game fine. However the team panics, tightens up, and reverts to one off runners. It's worth having a look at Ruru/Plummer/TJ next week. See if we can get the Auckland combination working
The squad has fundamental problems. MacDonald can't fix those mistakes this year
The worst thing about this result is that it puts so much pressure on the next game. Big difference from 1-2 from 0-3.
Going to be a challenge to get the attitude and confidence right.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
The worst thing about this result is that it puts so much pressure on the next game. Big difference from 1-2 from 0-3.
Going to be a challenge to get the attitude and confidence right.
Sunwolves will be favourites for sure. I could easily see them running a tired Blues team ragged
@Steven-Harris said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Auckland in last years Mitre 10 Cup played for each other and had great on field leadership ..how much of that do you attribute to coach who had an average record with Samoa..?,
A massive amount was how Both coaches fixed the culture, consistent selections and got the best out of a very young squad.
Perhaps some of the older heads just need to go. Parsons, Pulu, Nonu for example. And just get the young guys in there.
TJ should be at 12.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
TJ should be at 12.
It's not good coaching to make your (hopefully) long term 12 a 13 and ruin his development and confidence.
Still, who else are they going to put there? Rieko?
@antipodean Tele'a could be an option but distribution could be an issue.
@antipodean said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
TJ should be at 12.
It's not good coaching to make your (hopefully) long term 12 a 13 and ruin his development and confidence.
Still, who else are they going to put there? Rieko?
Rieko at 13 might be the best use of the squad. Get him involved more TJ in his right position, put the old centres out to pasture.
@Chris-B said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
One thing I was impressed by - Akira's defence. He has also developed his passing game this year. AB coaches would be pleased.
Does he look like he's added a bit more bulk this year to anyone else?
Too many things got fucked up five metres from the tryline and in pretty soft ways.
One thing... it won't win the Blues the title alone - but, it will win them a lot more games, and that is an effective lineout drive. I think I'm right that they didn't score from it at all last year? And haven't this year? They've got a big forward pack and lots of guys who've been around the ABs, and Coventry is supposedly a gun forwards coach - it's inexplicable.
Crusaders turned what could have been cliffhanger last night into a comfortable win by driving over from two lineouts.
The 2nd to last penalty they got was really poor execution all round. Kick didn't get close enough to the line, and then a loopy throw to the back. I agree that should be an area of the game they can really improve, a simple lineout drive would have likely got them home.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@antipodean said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
TJ should be at 12.
It's not good coaching to make your (hopefully) long term 12 a 13 and ruin his development and confidence.
Still, who else are they going to put there? Rieko?
Rieko at 13 might be the best use of the squad. Get him involved more TJ in his right position, put the old centres out to pasture.
I don't think anyone had major issues with him at 13, he can still make use of his pace on the outside there. It was the insistence of playing him at 12 that was so frustrating.
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
One change I would make is Scrafton for Cowley Tuoiti.
Scrafton for Goodhue.
Goodhue to the bench ahead of GCT
Not because Goodhue has been bad.. I just prefer Scraftons abrasiveness and he could provide some leadership that is clearly lacking
@No-Quarter said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@antipodean said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
TJ should be at 12.
It's not good coaching to make your (hopefully) long term 12 a 13 and ruin his development and confidence.
Still, who else are they going to put there? Rieko?
Rieko at 13 might be the best use of the squad. Get him involved more TJ in his right position, put the old centres out to pasture.
I don't think anyone had major issues with him at 13, he can still make use of his pace on the outside there. It was the insistence of playing him at 12 that was so frustrating.
Yep, Tana playing at 12 was utterly stupid.
OK< so on first (and only) viewing, I think that Jaguares hooker scored, I think he was in, but what happens, if a replay shows he was out, but the Broadcaster (local or not) has failed to provide it?
I am more talking in terms of repercussions for the broadcaster, as the game points are gone now.
Sliding doors and all, but was still a pivotal moment in the game.
Did anyone else think that the last scrum should have been re-set? The ball came out the side past the flanker. Does it no longer need to come out the back?
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
One thing I was impressed by - Akira's defence. He has also developed his passing game this year. AB coaches would be pleased.
Yeah, that try saver on the line was huge. Would have liked to see him run from the back of at least one of those scrums.
It's almost like they were deliberately not having him run from the back, Frustrating.
@Nepia said in Jaguares vs Blues:
It's almost like they were deliberately not having him run from the back, Frustrating.
Yes. I thought the same thing last week too.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@antipodean said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
TJ should be at 12.
It's not good coaching to make your (hopefully) long term 12 a 13 and ruin his development and confidence.
Still, who else are they going to put there? Rieko?
Rieko at 13 might be the best use of the squad. Get him involved more TJ in his right position, put the old centres out to pasture.
Its been made clear Rieko is a winger only this year unless major injuries force them to shift him.
Speaking of 13 - Blues have had problems there since 2011. Year after year. This is the 4th coaching group since then with the same issue.
@KiwiMurph said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Speaking of 13 - Blues have had problems there since 2011. Year after year. This is the 4th coaching group since then with the same issue.
I honestly think it's really just a byproduct of being directionless in the 9/10 jerseys. No consistency of selection of philosophy over that period with wildly different styles of play. Some of those Halai/Willison/Sailli combos were perfectly decent at this level IMO if given consistent, stable ball.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Nonu is looking like really dud buy.
49 minutes in his 12 jersey and we are calling it?
We have 240 minutes of evidence that he may not be the biggest dud acquisition by the club this season.
@rotated said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Nonu is looking like really dud buy.
49 minutes in his 12 jersey and we are calling it?
We have 240 minutes of evidence that he may not be the biggest dud acquisition by the club this season.
He’s not going to get any faster, and that the clearest observation so far about where he’s at. He’s getting left behind by the pace of the game.
So yes, I’m calling it. Two games, ran around a handful of times.
Tana selecting his mate has cost us a viable centre selection in the squad.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@rotated said in Jaguares vs Blues:
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Nonu is looking like really dud buy.
49 minutes in his 12 jersey and we are calling it?
We have 240 minutes of evidence that he may not be the biggest dud acquisition by the club this season.
He’s not going to get any faster, and that the clearest observation so far about where he’s at. He’s getting left behind by the pace of the game.
So yes, I’m calling it. Two games, ran around a handful of times.
Tana selecting his mate has cost us a viable centre selection in the squad.
Do yo uthink they had his speed data when they picked him? Because most of the other parts of his game are going well ... just slower than he was
Also, what a goddamn frustrating game to watch. We did enough to win, the Jaguares did their best to hand it to us,a nd we still coughed up the W. Very very very frustrating to watch.
When we supported direct runners off the ruck, we gained a shedload of metres and looked great. So naturally we went back to one off running without support. FML.
@Kirwan said in Jaguares vs Blues:
Nonu is looking like really dud buy.
Much like Toulon didn’t watch Savea before signing, the Blues didn’t watch Toulon before signing Nonu. Having watched maybe 5 or so Toulon games with Nonu in the team, he’d just lost pace. Still the « will Nonu make the RWC thread » gave some amusement value.
