Looking at that chiefs side only 1/2 dozen players are NZ side starting 15 quality. They really look by far the weakest Team/ squad NZ has produced for a long time. The fa t Nankivel was best player says it all.

@chimoaus said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Why do the commentators keep saying Chiefs are quality and were competition favourites.

Because it makes it even funnier

@Bones

Maori Jesus, for starters.

And, Messam.

So two of the older, wiser, and classier heads in the team.

Edit:

But, actually, your point stands, because those of us who looked at the recruiting were pissed off because the team this year looked worse than last year.

@broughie said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Stargazer Agree but they were horrible against the Crusaders. But we were dominating last year except for the Blues and this year not even close.

So after 5 weeks of Super rugby last season

Landers 3-0
Saders 2-2
Blues 1-3
Chiefs 2-1
Canes 2-1

I have no word to describe shitter than shit

One of the worst results by a NZ Super team I can remember. No wonder Guzzler has spent most of the off season looking for a new team.

@sparky Fuck me looking at the canes locks we could really really use him haha

Missed the game , what was the result?

@jegga said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Missed the game , what was the result?

NZ rugby is dead.

Oh and sunwolves doubled the Chiefs score.

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Jesus it's 3 rounds in people. The Chiefs have looked cake the last couple of games, the sky isn't falling.

The sky has already fallen! WTF Chiefs. This was worse than last week. So many errors. MacDonald has already got the Blues off the bottom of the table without having to do anything.

@broughie said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Not only the Chiefs but NZ rugby, except the Crusaders, has been horrible to watch.

The Canes won by 30 yesterday ffs.

@broughie

Disagree, the Canes were excellent against Brumbies. The Blues and the Highlanders have been steady. It is just the Chiefs who have been dire.

Far too many NPC level players in that Chiefs line up. The Sunwolves' NPC level Kiwis looked a cut above on paper and so it proved.

Someone listed the players the Chiefs are missing and I thought, "Is that it?!" You're in for a tough season Chiefs fans. Rennie was the master at getting the most out of guys who weren't quite at Super Rugby level and simply making do, but Cooper isn't gonna make that happen.

Didnt watch the game but listened to the radio commentary by Yealden.

He used the word bumbling a few times...

If I was Cooper I'd have held BBBR off until the 2nd half, that way hed of watched all the shit and gone out a fired everyone up, instead he just got caught up, had to go off at halftime and...

Is amusing reading back through these game threads though...

@Nepia said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Jesus it's 3 rounds in people. The Chiefs have looked cake the last couple of games, the sky isn't falling.

The sky has already fallen! WTF Chiefs. This was worse than last week. So many errors. MacDonald has already got the Blues off the bottom of the table without having to do anything.

I don't care if the Chiefs were the Japanese schoolgirl to the Sunwolves octopus the Hurricanes bandwagon door is firmly locked.

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@jegga hard out! Look what Nepia and Crucial have turned the Chiefs into. I'm not sure any fan base would want to be burdened with that.

You gotta feel for the true fans though. Must be hard to watch. I fully expect the Chiefs to get up for the derbies though.

I said last week that we are the Blues of 2017-2018. That is a massive insult to the Blues. We are much worse.

Gotta Go Cooper!!

@Toddy said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@jegga hard out! Look what Nepia and Crucial have turned the Chiefs into. I'm not sure any fan base would want to be burdened with that.

You gotta feel for the true fans though. Must be hard to watch. I fully expect the Chiefs to get up for the derbies though.

Yeah, having those two join the fold must be painful.

Calling Warren Gatland?

Hayden Parker would be handy in NZ right now. Wonder if he can come back next year?

@jegga said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Toddy said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@jegga hard out! Look what Nepia and Crucial have turned the Chiefs into. I'm not sure any fan base would want to be burdened with that.

You gotta feel for the true fans though. Must be hard to watch. I fully expect the Chiefs to get up for the derbies though.

Yeah, having those two join the fold must be painful.

@jegga just in case I haven't called you one before....

You're a cnut.

@Crucial said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@jegga said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Toddy said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@jegga hard out! Look what Nepia and Crucial have turned the Chiefs into. I'm not sure any fan base would want to be burdened with that.

You gotta feel for the true fans though. Must be hard to watch. I fully expect the Chiefs to get up for the derbies though.

Yeah, having those two join the fold must be painful.

@jegga just in case I haven't called you one before....

You're a cnut.

That might be true but my team wasn’t bukkaked this weekend

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Just who have the Chiefs lost in the off-season that would have changed things?

Sam Cane?

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Just who have the Chiefs lost in the off-season that would have changed things?

Sam Cane?

Who did he sign with?

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Just who have the Chiefs lost in the off-season that would have changed things?

Sam Cane?

Who did he sign with?

Ahhh no-one but he is not exactly available is he?

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Just who have the Chiefs lost in the off-season that would have changed things?

Sam Cane?

Who did he sign with?

Ahhh no-one but he is not exactly available is he?

Good example of the player drain. Thanks.

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Just who have the Chiefs lost in the off-season that would have changed things?

Sam Cane?

Who did he sign with?

Ahhh no-one but he is not exactly available is he?

Good example of the player drain. Thanks.

FFS Bones who mentioned anything about player drain - I am talking about players who have been lost to the playing list over the off season which for Super Rugby started in about July2018. I know you are upset about the Chiefs loss of form but don't take it out on me

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Nevorian said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@Bones said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

Just who have the Chiefs lost in the off-season that would have changed things?

Sam Cane?

Who did he sign with?

Ahhh no-one but he is not exactly available is he?

Good example of the player drain. Thanks.

FFS Bones who mentioned anything about player drain - I am talking about players who have been lost to the playing list over the off season which for Super Rugby started in about July2018. I know you are upset about the Chiefs loss of form but don't take it out on me

Haha! What? Firstly, why would I be all that fussed about the Chiefs loss? Secondly, you were responding to a query in response to someone bemoaning players leaving NZ. Well done.

@ACT-Crusader So you are saying the records are similiar. Ok maybe but do you have a positive feeling about the way NZ teams are playing. I don't. I see other teams improving and teams we normally beat are beating us.

@broughie said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@ACT-Crusader So you are saying the records are similiar. Ok maybe but do you have a positive feeling about the way NZ teams are playing. I don't. I see other teams improving and teams we normally beat are beating us.

• The Crusaders have started strong, despite being slow starters in previous years.
• The Blues have shown signs of improvement.
• The Canes have started well, getting the W against the Tahs away and then smoking the Brumbies.
• The Landers look solid, certainly plenty to build on.

And that's with all the big limitations on ABs, as well as senior players no doubt having an eye on the big dance later in the year.

By my estimation it's only the Chiefs that have obviously gone backwards.

@No-Quarter Ok. So you guys are more optimistic. Hope you are right.

without Cane there alongside BBBR (for his minutes) the Chiefs are seriously lacking some grunt on both sides of the ball.

[Chiefs CEO] Collins, who himself played 81 matches as a prop for the Chiefs between 1997-2005, including captaining the team in 1999

So that's why this feels like a blast from the past...!

@No-Quarter said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@broughie said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@ACT-Crusader So you are saying the records are similiar. Ok maybe but do you have a positive feeling about the way NZ teams are playing. I don't. I see other teams improving and teams we normally beat are beating us.

• The Crusaders have started strong, despite being slow starters in previous years.
• The Blues have shown signs of improvement.
• The Canes have started well, getting the W against the Tahs away and then smoking the Brumbies.
• The Landers look solid, certainly plenty to build on.

The Crusaders have never been slow starters and win.

When they start slow, i.e. the Blackadder era, they didn't win.

@Chester-Draws said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@No-Quarter said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@broughie said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@ACT-Crusader So you are saying the records are similiar. Ok maybe but do you have a positive feeling about the way NZ teams are playing. I don't. I see other teams improving and teams we normally beat are beating us.

• The Crusaders have started strong, despite being slow starters in previous years.
• The Blues have shown signs of improvement.
• The Canes have started well, getting the W against the Tahs away and then smoking the Brumbies.
• The Landers look solid, certainly plenty to build on.

The Crusaders have never been slow starters and win.

When they start slow, i.e. the Blackadder era, they didn't win.

We had maybe one win from four or five games when we won in 1998. Last year we were 1-2 or 2-2. There's a couple of examples of slow starts in title years.

Back to the Chiefs though. They suck. They suck bad.

Yet they're still very much a banana skin for the Crusaders this weekend.

DMac is not the guy to have at 10 for a team who is struggling. He should be selected at fullback next week. Even if the Chiefs are getting out-muscled, D Mac from fullback is a threat on the counter-attack.

@broughie said in Chiefs vs Sunwolves:

@ACT-Crusader So you are saying the records are similiar. Ok maybe but do you have a positive feeling about the way NZ teams are playing. I don't. I see other teams improving and teams we normally beat are beating us.

Firstly the way I view Super Rugby is that as long as the Crusaders are playing well, that’s all that really matters to me as that’s who I support in this competiton.

Highlanders are my second favourite team so will generally support them, but I don’t get too worked up about what is happening otherwise. I watch all the games as a rugby fan, but it’s a competition that if you look at its history, NZ teams have had their share of ups and downs.