@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs vs Lions:
Fuck me what a joke. Chiefs only turned up for 20 minutes of the game. Hate blaming the ref but fuck me he was shit.
Wasn't the best refereeing performance, but had he got every decision correct, the Chiefs still deserved to lose.
@Stargazer said in Chiefs vs Lions:
Agreed the Chiefs had a poor first half, but the Lions didn't deserve this win. Dodgy tries and other dodgy calls gave them the advantage.
Did we watch the same game? The Lions' defence was excellent, the Chiefs threw away ball in the first half and didn't have a set piece.
Warren Whitely didn't actually answer any of the questions in that interview. :grinning_face:
@antipodean Their defence was great, but not their attack. I think a draw would have been the right outcome.
Game of three-and-one- quarters - Chiefs were shit in the first 60 and mostly great for the last 20, Lions the other way around. I reckon with a proper set piece in that first half Chiefs would have won rather tidily. Good win for the Lions on the road, I can't begrudge Warren Whiteley any wins, he seems proper nice
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs vs Lions:
Lions deserved to win. Good game.
Yep, Chiefs left it until too late to start playing decent footy.
Gutted, but the right result. Can’t complain about a loss when it takes the injection of the reserves bench for a team to start playing rugby.
Excellent last twenty minutes comeback from the Chiefs. I thought the Lions backrow were outstanding.
@Yeahtheboys match fixing ring?
@Machpants nah it’s all Colin Coopers fault I feel bad for Angus like he got shoved there and just left out there to look like an idiot playing a position he’s not used to
How hard can it be to change sides in a scrum? "Ooh I am used to putting my other arm around the hooker. This is way too hard!" Bless the wee fatties. No wonder they can't get the chicks.
I don't know what the rules are around naming match day line-ups and making changes to them before games, but if this is true, that's at least really poor sportsmanship from the Lions.
Cape Town - The Lions have revealed that they deliberately made late changes to their starting team before facing the Chiefs in Hamilton last week.
Springbok duo Malcolm Marx and Elton Jantjies were initially named on the bench for the match but were added to the starting team shortly before kick-off.
Marx was his ever-impressive self in the No 2 jersey, while Jantjies starred at inside centre as the Lions claimed a 23-17 victory.
Lions CEO Rudolf Straeuli told Netwerk24 that it was always their plan to start with Marx and Jantjies.
"It was a tactical move to announce the team like that because we wanted the Chiefs to believe they were not going to play. With Malcolm on the bench, the Chiefs opted to rest some of their heavy forwards. With him in the starting team we could take them on at scrum time and it worked well. The foundation for our victory was laid up front," Straeuli said.
The Chiefs named a starting XV without All Blacks duo Brodie Retallick and Sam Cane.
The Lions will however be without Marx for this Friday's clash against the Crusaders in Christchurch as he'll be rested in line with SA Rugby's policy to rest Springboks during Super Rugby.
Jantjies could be back at flyhalf as Gianni Lombard has returned to South Africa with a knee injury.
The Lions' other option at pivot is to play Shaun Reynolds.
The men from Johannesburg will remain without head coach Swys de Bruin, who has returned home to South Africa due to stress. Conditioning coach Ivan van Rooyen has taken over the head coaching duties on an interim basis.
Friday’s clash is scheduled for 09:35 (SA time).
@Stargazer really? I can't see it as an issue at all. You've got to beat the team put in front of you still - plus, was it a requirement for the Lions to name their team first anyway?
Yes, really. Indeed, you play what's in front of you, and no, they don't have to name the team first. But they have to name the team that is meant to play. It's the intent of their cheating that bothers me.
@Stargazer said in Chiefs vs Lions:
Yes, really. Indeed, you play what's in front of you, and no, they don't have to name the team first. But they have to name the team that is meant to play. It's the intent of their cheating that bothers me.
It's about honesty. In real life you just can't lie without consequences. Omission is fine, but once you say something it's got to have a basis in truth.
It's like that league player who had a busted shoulder a couple of years ago. His team lies about the injury, and it wasn't a great look. There's a fuzzy line with interpretations, but setting out to lie and actively mislead does not sure well with me.
If we don't like diving and conning the referee, how can we tolerate this?
But we do enjoy it when our team 'plays to the ref'. It's only offside if it's called by the ref'. It's only off your feet if called by the ref'. Where is the line?
Are the Lions telling the truth now?
They named a side, the coach goes home under unusual circumstances, the new coach puts out a different side.
Is this story just covering for internal conflict?
I agree with the play what's infront of you outlook on this issue, but I also think it's bad sportsmanship. At the end of the day it doesn't matter too much coz the Chiefs played like shit and Harris and Retallick were both injured not rested so it doesn't have an impact anyway.
@Duluth said in Chiefs vs Lions:
Are the Lions telling the truth now?
They named a side, the coach goes home under unusual circumstances, the new coach puts out a different side.
Is this story just covering for internal conflict?
Almost has a "match fixing" ring about it. Wonder if the gambling agancies have detected any unusual betting patterns on the match?
@Stargazer @nzzp what about dummy runners or dummy passes? They're a tad dishonest eh, we should probably ban them.
@Bones said in Chiefs vs Lions:
@Stargazer @nzzp what about dummy runners or dummy passes? They're a tad dishonest eh, we should probably ban them.
Nope it's on a spectrum. Gray areas are gray... Deliberate diving is a different thing altogether. Kind of like blood gate... That shit isn't sportsmanship at all
@nzzp said in Chiefs vs Lions:
@Bones said in Chiefs vs Lions:
@Stargazer @nzzp what about dummy runners or dummy passes? They're a tad dishonest eh, we should probably ban them.
Nope it's on a spectrum. Gray areas are gray... Deliberate diving is a different thing altogether. Kind of like blood gate... That shit isn't sportsmanship at all
So a bit like resting your best prop for 15 or so minutes then bringing him back on when the replacement gets injured?
Our forwards were absolute meh for most of that match. TBH I thought we would lose by more when I saw the starting side.
But we really need to learn how to defend at close quarters I lost count how many attacks came from straighttheough the middle of the ruck. Where were our guard dogs FFS?
