@Rancid-Schnitzel said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I'm trying to educate a mostly Kiwi crowd here about the ARG mentality
Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19*

Except when they win and then they suddenly become worthwhile? I'm sure a win over the ABs would be met with a shrug of the shoulders due to the obviously friendly and unimportant nature of that encounter.

I thought this "only the RWC games are actual games" bullshit was destroyed when the ABs won 2 in a row. Clearly not.

I'll make this simple as you're being wilfully obtuse and twisting my words

If Pumas beat ABs in 12 days It would be a historic win - not been done before but ultimately in a wold cup year mean fuck all

Symbolic wins while nice in records book means little

Bigger fish to fry - RWC prep is more important than games no one will care about in 2 months

Comparing the ABs to Los Pumas is asinine

They have vastly different playing stocks, priorities & commercial arrangements

A team like ABs can go all out for every game and competition as they have the cattle

Pumas can't as they don't have the cattle and a diabolical travelling schedule

@pukunui said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Stargazer
Glad to hear you are ok. Asthma sucks.
Agree with the rest of your post. Different perspectives are great. Social media style pontificating gets old quickly.

WTF does Social Media pontificating mean? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Are you indicating you like different perspectives but my methods are not to your liking......

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 that's a bit sad, it's not even an Argie! Pretty sure the actual fans aren't such twats...

Oh and two things can be right at the same time you know.

I met one in England who delighted in telling me Jonah couldn’t defend. I’ve assumed they’re all fluffybunnies based on that. It works for me.

Good to see that you're such an open minded guy not prone to making vast sweeping generalisations based on a small sample of interactions

Truly a learned man with awareness for differing cultures :clapping_hands: :clapping_hands:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 that's a bit sad, it's not even an Argie! Pretty sure the actual fans aren't such twats...

Oh and two things can be right at the same time you know.

I met one in England who delighted in telling me Jonah couldn’t defend. I’ve assumed they’re all fluffybunnies based on that. It works for me.

Good to see that you're such an open minded guy not prone to making vast sweeping generalisations based on a small sample of interactions

Truly a learned man with awareness for differing cultures :clapping_hands: :clapping_hands:

I love the steak, red wine and the women.

It's the Rugby fans who are fluffybunnies. You have done nothing to dispel this view.

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I'm trying to educate a mostly Kiwi crowd here about the ARG mentality
Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19*

Except when they win and then they suddenly become worthwhile? I'm sure a win over the ABs would be met with a shrug of the shoulders due to the obviously friendly and unimportant nature of that encounter.

I thought this "only the RWC games are actual games" bullshit was destroyed when the ABs won 2 in a row. Clearly not.

I'll make this simple as you're being wilfully obtuse and twisting my words

If Pumas beat ABs in 12 days It would be a historic win - not been done before but ultimately in a wold cup year mean fuck all

Symbolic wins while nice in records book means little

Bigger fish to fry - RWC prep is more important than games no one will care about in 2 months

Comparing the ABs to Los Pumas is asinine

They have vastly different playing stocks, priorities & commercial arrangements

A team like ABs can go all out for every game and competition as they have the cattle

Pumas can't as they don't have the cattle and a diabolical travelling schedule

OK, so based on this point ( I'll let @Bones address the spelling and grammatical issues ) if the Pumas win I don't want to hear a PEEP out of you other than a brief nod with the kind of display of emotion that would make the 1960s All Blacks look like Richard Simmons.

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

It's the Rugby fans who are fluffybunnies. You have done nothing to dispel this view.

At least you have good taste

I'm not one for kissing arse

ABs and NZ rugby set the standard

You don't go kiss the ring and be happy to play the game

I'll leave that to the clapping seals at Rugby Games aka Japanese fans :face_vomiting:

I'm going for the knees you look for the weak points in opponents

In the case of NZ, its post RWC and if the mickey mouse league in Japan decide to mirror their season to SR Long Term

@MN5

I'll acknowledge it but I won't celebrate

I'm looking at the bigger picture

TRC this year doesn't matter and never does in a RWC year

Performance is all I'm looking at

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

It's the Rugby fans who are fluffybunnies. You have done nothing to dispel this view.

At least you have good taste

I'm not one for kissing arse

ABs and NZ rugby set the standard

****You don't go kiss the ring and be happy to play the game

I'll leave that to the clapping seals at Rugby Games aka Japanese fans :face_vomiting:

I'm going for the knees you look for the weak points in opponents

In the case of NZ, its post RWC and if the mickey mouse league in Japan decide to mirror their season to SR Long Term****

This post was actually going ok until after the third line when it descended into some of the most baffling shit I've read in my 13 years on here. Can anyone enlighten me ?

@MN5

I'll try again

NZ rugby is the strongest in world rugby You don't improve by settling for mediocrity and playing nice

I'l leave that Japan to accomplish in every facet of their game

IF they decide to have their Top League clash with SR regularly then NZ will be screwed big time as will AUS & SA

Enlightened now

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5

I'll try again

NZ rugby is the strongest in world rugby You don't improve by settling for mediocrity and playing nice

I'l leave that Japan to accomplish in every facet of their game

IF they decide to have their Top League clash with SR regularly then NZ will be screwed big time as will AUS & SA

Enlightened now

But Japan beat South Africa in the last World Cup if I'm not mistaken.

How is this mediocre ?

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5

I'll try again

NZ rugby is the strongest in world rugby You don't improve by settling for mediocrity and playing nice

I'l leave that Japan to accomplish in every facet of their game

IF they decide to have their Top League clash with SR regularly then NZ will be screwed big time as will AUS & SA

Enlightened now

But Japan beat South Africa in the last World Cup if I'm not mistaken.

How is this mediocre ?

A nice symbolic win 4 years ago They went on to get battered by Scotland

Not finish 1st or 2nd in the group & be eliminated in the 1st round

Then consider they've a team full of Mercenaries & Fake Japanese :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting:

Wimpie van ver Walt - very Japanese

Luke Thompson - totally Japanese

International Rugby is not meant to be a place to shop around and play for countries of convenience

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5

Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
This country beating that country in 2017 means fuck all in 2019

Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19

These are your words. There is no twisting going on. Rugby has and hopefully never will be like soccer with meaningless friendlies between the big tournaments. Yes some games are more important than others, but labelling them all friendlies is utter nonsense. It isn't just 3.5 years of shits and giggles and a few weeks of the real thing.

Why would a Puma win mean fuck all? You reckon the Irish will think their win last year will mean fuck all if they get done at the RWC?

**Comparing the ABs to Los Pumas is asinine

They have vastly different playing stocks, priorities & commercial arrangements

A team like ABs can go all out for every game and competition as they have the cattle

Pumas can't as they don't have the cattle and a diabolical travelling schedule**

Where was I comparing the Pumas with the ABs? That's just weird.

The ABs certainly don't go all out in every game. Plenty of questionable players have been capped in recent years just to give the stars a break. Obviously the Pumas don't have the same depth, but using that as an argument for treating every test until the RWC as a training run is straight out bizarre.

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5

Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
This country beating that country in 2017 means fuck all in 2019

Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19

These are your words. There is no twisting going on. Rugby has and hopefully never will be like soccer with meaningless friendlies between the big tournaments. Yes some games are more important than others, but labelling them all friendlies is utter nonsense. It isn't just 3.5 years of shits and giggles and a few weeks of the real thing.

Why would a Puma win mean fuck all? You reckon the Irish will think their win last year will mean fuck all if they get done at the RWC?

**Comparing the ABs to Los Pumas is asinine

They have vastly different playing stocks, priorities & commercial arrangements

A team like ABs can go all out for every game and competition as they have the cattle

Pumas can't as they don't have the cattle and a diabolical travelling schedule**

Where was I comparing the Pumas with the ABs? That's just weird.

The ABs certainly don't go all out in every game. Plenty of questionable players have been capped in recent years just to give the stars a break. Obviously the Pumas don't have the same depth, but using that as an argument for treating every test until the RWC as a training run is straight out bizarre.

That's a fantastic analogy, took them over a hundred years then they did it twice in a couple of years. I hope Scotland can say the same someday. I can guarantee there'll be a shitload of piss and good stories aplenty whenever those Irish teams have reunions in years to come.

I've mentioned it before and hasn't seemed to have sunk in @Jaguares4real but to try and dismiss virtually ANY international match as a "friendly" is pretty damn insulting to well over a centuries worth of international rugby.

If you want friendlies stick to watching Soccer.

@MN5

It would be a fantastic analogy IF the games were played in the summer of RWC years But they weren't Chicago was 2016 and Dublin was 2018 Both EOYT tours for NZ Good for the Irish They can celebrate for I care

I can assure you that if Ireland don;t reach the Semi Finals of the RWC at least they'll have failed spectacularly and Schmidt will have a black mark next to his Ireland legacy

Argentina beat the crap out of Ireland in 2015 was bad enough in itself

Now I understand that Test Matches are sacred but they're not all created equally and of equal importance

New age of rugby Game is getting increasingly brutal Got to preserve players better & not got all out for matches that are essentially friendlies in name only

For Los Pumas I'll state their priority are TRC matches every year when there is NOT a RWC They need to and are starting to cut their cloth accordingly

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5

It would be a fantastic analogy IF the games were played in the summer of RWC years But they weren't Chicago was 2016 and Dublin was 2018 Both EOYT tours for NZ Good for the Irish They can celebrate for I care

I can assure you that if Ireland don;t reach the Semi Finals of the RWC at least they'll have failed spectacularly and Schmidt will have a black mark next to his Ireland legacy

Argentina beat the crap out of Ireland in 2015 was bad enough in itself

Now I understand that Test Matches are sacred but they're not all created equally and of equal importance

New age of rugby Game is getting increasingly brutal Got to preserve players better & not got all out for matches that are essentially friendlies in name only

For Los Pumas I'll state their priority are TRC matches every year when there is NOT a RWC They need to and are starting to cut their cloth accordingly

All fair point honestly, but I'd add one thing:

The 2018 win by the Irish might not have happened without the 2016 win. The confidence the Irish will have going into the 2019 tournament that they can knock us over will (rightly) be quite high, given recent results, which are on the back of wins in "friendlies".

If what you are saying is right (and who am I to question) ... then I think I see why they haven't achieved much in the TRC.

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5

It would be a fantastic analogy IF the games were played in the summer of RWC years But they weren't Chicago was 2016 and Dublin was 2018 Both EOYT tours for NZ Good for the Irish They can celebrate for I care

I can assure you that if Ireland don;t reach the Semi Finals of the RWC at least they'll have failed spectacularly and Schmidt will have a black mark next to his Ireland legacy

Argentina beat the crap out of Ireland in 2015 was bad enough in itself

Now I understand that Test Matches are sacred but they're not all created equally and of equal importance

New age of rugby Game is getting increasingly brutal Got to preserve players better & not got all out for matches that are essentially friendlies in name only

For Los Pumas I'll state their priority are TRC matches every year when there is NOT a RWC They need to and are starting to cut their cloth accordingly

"I know ya tink it's a great win lads but it happened outta de woorld cup coicle so it doesn't really mean a ting"

So you're saying that's how the conversation would have gone in the dressing room after the game ? Wow.

What a waste of time Ireland, shame on you.

Regarding friendlies . Quentin Poulsen of the infamous "South Africa to host 2023 rwc " thread was a big fan of trying to downplay results as friendlies . His insistence that games were friendlies despite time and time again it being pointed out they were not and ranting about rwc hosting rights along with his mad fanboy posts about Argentina got him banned from pretty much every rugby forum on the internet .

heres the loser posting as Rowan here https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/472/2023-expanded-world-cup-in-south-africa

Booooooom

Threads gone a bit quiet , was it something I said?

@jegga said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

iet , was it something I said?

You;re fine

I've just finished replying to all the fan mail I received :love-you_gesture: :love-you_gesture:

All in the name of openness and transparency