The kick returns were awful too. We had France in a V at one stage and whoever it was, stood and waited for them to form a straight line, then ran straight into them.
Black Ferns
Match thread
France, RWC Semi Final
@booboo said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Canes4life said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
What are our chances against England?
Starters chance.
Two horse race.
I think we have at least a 50:50 chance. At home, team confident and with a wily coach. England are the better team but there's a lot going for us.
Was alot of panicked passing at times too, to go with the poor decision making, some calmer heads and that wouldn't have been close
Just watched second half on delay. Picture quality was horrid for first 20. Tough to watch.
Well done girls. Sarah Hirini has unbelievable ticker. Luka Conner and Krystal Murray were awesome too. The Bremners went well. But somehow the work at rucks was not up to scratch.
I don't get how you can play with such a lack of kicking capability. Demant has no depth and Holmes seems inconsistent. Why on earth is Hazel Tubic not there to have us playing in the right part of the field more? Big calls for the coaches for next week?
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.
Very different to mens rugby in that there is lots more execution errors , no criticism intended but it has a bit of a school boy rugby element to it ,
But you just got to go again and go again until you get there
England will be interested in watching that game again.
Do we have a forwards coach? A little practice on ruck and ball security (and poaching at the lineout) might be a good idea..
Smith and Hansen will need to spend all week working on body height and support for the cleaners. France got players over the ball (not always legally) but England will flood the breakdown and counter-ruck. The BFs need to be more pragmatic in their own 22 and not risk running it every time.
The choice of ref will also be important. I'd much prefer Barrett-Theron than Neville but it might be Davidson or even Groizeleau.
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
The BFs need to be more pragmatic in their own 22 and not risk running it every time.
Works against the other teams, but not Eng and Fra
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.
I loved that game. Thought the skill level was great.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.
It’s because we have a higher expectation of the mens side because of the legacy they’ve built. An All Black test match crowd is totally different because the expectation for the men to perform is higher and the crowd is usually more serious.
With the Black Ferns, they are starting to create their own legacy but they don’t have the same weight on their shoulders because there isn’t that same pressure to perform.
@Canes4life I agree the Silver Ferns' expectation is low, because many here haven't seen much of the Black Ferns from previous World Cups. A lot of followers of women's rugby, however, will disagree. The Black Ferns have won 5 of the 6 women's RWCs. There is a huge legacy. The Black Ferns talk about that all the time. Of course there is a lot of expectation.
@Canes4life said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.It’s because we have a higher expectation of the mens side because of the legacy they’ve built. An All Black test match crowd is totally different because the expectation for the men to perform is higher and the crowd is usually more serious.
With the Black Ferns, they are starting to create their own legacy but they don’t have the same weight on their shoulders because there isn’t that same pressure to perform.
Disagree. They have a massive legacy already but choose not to be weighed down by it.
The enjoyment from the players is as much in being there and playing.
I enjoy watching players enjoying themselves, smiling, laughing, dancing then smashing and bashing.
Hope it stays that way.
Like the BF 7s they are a breath of fresh air to a game that is getting stale by the day.
It’s not a criticism of anyone but some here have tried all year to get others on this ride and maybe understand the womens game is same but different but very entertaining. Glad that as many as possible are hopping on the bus, just try and except the differences and come for the ride.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.
Nah. We enjoy sport how we do, including post match analysis. If we didn't care we wouldn't worry.
Game was insane - so much ball in play time and sheer ambition.
Crowd was massive in terms of noise on the broadcast, at least for Stan.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Disagree. They have a massive legacy already but choose not to be weighed down by it.
The enjoyment from the players is as much in being there and playing.
I enjoy watching players enjoying themselves, smiling, laughing, dancing then smashing and bashing.
Hope it stays that way.
Well said - look at the BFs singing the anthem before the game. So much joy on their faces.
Whereas if any of the men's players looked half that happy, pretty much everyone on here would be going the grump that they're not taking it seriously.
Drouin's last kick might be the talking point, but it was a couple of other muffed opportunities prior to that which held France back more IMHO (kicks out on the full, certain other decisions). I think they played a bit too much territory at points.
The professionalism of the French was evident in the execution of their lineout and maul, as well as their defensive ruck work.
The ABs obviously brought a fair bit of skill that didn't pay anything like a dividend until they also started to hit hard up front - France just fanned out and nullified the wide play and the dinky little dropoff passes. Speed of French defensive line notable, if occasionally offside 
Next week is the clash pretty much everyone wanted.
Must be an over-confident Wiki-editor from NZ, or a pessimist from England. Apparently we've already won the Final (only couldn't find the flag). We just have to wait by how much.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.
You seem to be advocating for us to not take the women's game seriously? Just enjoy it for shits and giggles but don't worry if we play well or not? Who cares what tactics they use as long as everyone has a bit of fun? That's the attitude I'd take towards watching a kids game, not top level professional sport.
@Stargazer said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Must be an over-confident Wiki-editor from NZ, or a pessimist from England. Apparently we've already won the Final (only couldn't find the flag). We just have to wait by how much.
I suspect that is just the data field with the NZ time zone.
and 2021? Needs a better editor.
@nostrildamus No, officially this is the 2021 RWC. They use that year everywhere. It's correct.
@Stargazer said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@nostrildamus No, officially this is the 2021 RWC. They use that year everywhere. It's correct.
True.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
What a game! That was seriously awesome and a great advert for the women's game!
Despite all the errors, the cards, the crazy sequences, that was a fantastic match. France have excellent drive from their forwards and really put us under the pump. And then we had superb moments with our interplay between forwards and backs.
Either team would’ve been a deserved winner with how the game played out. But the wairua of 2011 came across the hallowed turf of Eden Park and once again a one point win against the French is the result. Bring on the Poms.
@No-Quarter said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.You seem to be advocating for us to not take the women's game seriously? Just enjoy it for shits and giggles but don't worry if we play well or not? Who cares what tactics they use as long as everyone has a bit of fun? That's the attitude I'd take towards watching a kids game, not top level professional sport.
Not at all.
My comment was more about “uneducated “ negativity.
If you start from that kids game space then build up expectations based on the nuances and abilities there’s a better understanding.
Don’t judge it like you would an ABs game and it is more enjoyable.
Thanks dan@Bones said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Searching (and failing) for the right words to use.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Bones said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:Searching (and failing) for the right words to use.
No please, find some more to tell us how uneducated we are. It won't make you look like more of a fluffybunny at all.
@Bones said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Bones said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:Searching (and failing) for the right words to use.
No please, find some more to tell us how uneducated we are. It won't make you look like more of a fluffybunny at all.
Unskilled? Uninformed? Ignorant? Lowbrow? Unenlightened? Simple? Backward?
Thanks for the opportunity.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Bones said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Bones said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:Searching (and failing) for the right words to use.
No please, find some more to tell us how uneducated we are. It won't make you look like more of a fluffybunny at all.
Unskilled? Uninformed? Ignorant? Lowbrow? Unenlightened? Simple? Backward?
Thanks for the opportunity.
Anytime nzbloke
That was a great spectacle and in the end who would have thought it would be shades of 2011 with another French kicker having the last chance to win the game. Its going to be massive next weekend. Managed to get some tickets so I'll be there 
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@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@No-Quarter said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.You seem to be advocating for us to not take the women's game seriously? Just enjoy it for shits and giggles but don't worry if we play well or not? Who cares what tactics they use as long as everyone has a bit of fun? That's the attitude I'd take towards watching a kids game, not top level professional sport.
Not at all.
My comment was more about “uneducated “ negativity.
If you start from that kids game space then build up expectations based on the nuances and abilities there’s a better understanding.
Don’t judge it like you would an ABs game and it is more enjoyable.
Treating the women's game as a level above watching a kids game, to be enjoyed and not analysed, is probably one of the most offensive things you could say about it. Surely the goal is to have the BFs taken as seriously as the ABs, that's never going to happen with attitudes like yours.
@No-Quarter said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@No-Quarter said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
Just enjoy the game and result and stop analysing everything. Save it for the early hours and the fat jokes.
I know we can’t help it with the ABs but how about leaving this area of the game to enjoy things?
It’s why I didn’t even open the thread during the match.
Check out that crowd. ABs might get more people but that was one of the best rugby crowds I have seen in NZ for enjoying being there and supporting.
Awesome days rugby. Both games had tension, skill, mistakes and players giving everything to the end.You seem to be advocating for us to not take the women's game seriously? Just enjoy it for shits and giggles but don't worry if we play well or not? Who cares what tactics they use as long as everyone has a bit of fun? That's the attitude I'd take towards watching a kids game, not top level professional sport.
Not at all.
My comment was more about “uneducated “ negativity.
If you start from that kids game space then build up expectations based on the nuances and abilities there’s a better understanding.
Don’t judge it like you would an ABs game and it is more enjoyable.Treating the women's game as a level above watching a kids game, to be enjoyed and not analysed, is probably one of the most offensive things you could say about it. Surely the goal is to have the BFs taken as seriously as the ABs, that's never going to happen with attitudes like yours.
Give it a rest. You are taking my comments to a totally unintended place.
I used the words 'nuance' and 'understanding' and particularly said 'same but different'.
I have never said to judge it as an inferior product or said it was like a kids game.
All I was trying to do was suggest a way to approach the games for those that don't follow the women game apart from scores. Reset your expectations, not lower them. For example, long clearance kickers are rare so don't wonder why teams try to run out of their 22. Simple things like that. I know it took me a while to tune in and thought it would help others get the same level of enjoyment out of the game instead of some of the negative criticisms that were being thrown around.
Positive analysis and comments, all good. I'd just rather the negativity stayed away for a while.
If taking the BFs as seriously as the ABs means dour moaning spectators critiquing every act and decision and expecting deadly serious players that can only smile after a big win then yeah, you can fuck off with that aim.
Check out that crowd yesterday. That was like the old days of the sevens circuit. Families having fun. If the game wants to be healthy in the long term, long may things stay like this. Competitive, hard exciting games where mistakes aren't the end of the world.
@canefan said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
That was a great spectacle and in the end who would have thought it would be shades of 2011 with another French kicker having the last chance to win the game. Its going to be massive next weekend. Managed to get some tickets so I'll be there
We tried to get 2, only 'obscured view' available now 
In fact all gone it appears
@Machpants said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
@canefan said in Black Ferns v France, RWC Semi Final:
That was a great spectacle and in the end who would have thought it would be shades of 2011 with another French kicker having the last chance to win the game. Its going to be massive next weekend. Managed to get some tickets so I'll be there
We tried to get 2, only 'obscured view' available now
I reckon they will work out how to release more.
The current 40k configuration is to take into account the entertainment and possibly hasn't opened everything for staging costs (more security/ staff/ catering etc)
If they know there is demand they will try and increase supply I reckon.