@Crucial said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Really annoyed that Roigard only got 10 mins last week and is now dropped entirely.

Also, why the hell does Asafo Aumua not get any minutes for either the All Blacks XV or the main side?

The selection of both these sides is just completely odd to me.

Why is it odd? It’s quite obvious that the AB selectors want TJ and Weber kept going and the other halfbacks would get a bench role each.

A year is a long time until the WC. I feel Roigard is already playing better than both Weber and Perenara. I’d be giving him game time personally.

Roigard will really benefit from regular game time at Super Rugby level. He's got a good skillset but he needs to quicken some aspects of his game up - could see vs Ireland A he didn't have the time and space he was offered at NPC level.

As for Aumua and Harmon, unfortunately they are needed in the AB camp in case of a late injury. Can't be in two places at once.

@mikedogz said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Camille Chat.

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That's a Sontaran in disguise. That would be a pretty good physique for judo and resisting stranglers.

@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Would Stevenson make a good transition to 13? Is he good enough defensively? He runs beautiful lines. Wondering if that would translate well to 13.

Would he distribute well?

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Would Stevenson make a good transition to 13? Is he good enough defensively? He runs beautiful lines. Wondering if that would translate well to 13.

Would he distribute well?

He just looks like a huge running threat in the midfield. Just seems to be able to carve up defenders in narrow spaces and it looks so effortless. I just haven't seen enough of him to know if he can pass but he can offload.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

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RIP they are going to get destroyed, one of the weakest babaa's team i've seen.

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

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RIP they are going to get destroyed, one of the weakest babaa's team i've seen.

They don't look that weak to me.

Cue the praise of Razor when they don't get destroyed.....

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

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RIP they are going to get destroyed, one of the weakest babaa's team i've seen.

They don't look that weak to me.

Cue the praise of Razor when they don't get destroyed.....

Ohhhh shit I hadn't figured out why he was saying that. Thanks!

It's definitely a handy side to face a B/C team.

@Bones said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Barbarians:

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RIP they are going to get destroyed, one of the weakest babaa's team i've seen.

They don't look that weak to me.

Cue the praise of Razor when they don't get destroyed.....

Ohhhh shit I hadn't figured out why he was saying that. Thanks!

It's definitely a handy side to face a B/C team.

Lots of capped Baabaas players. 18 of them I think. So far more experience than the NZ XV shorn of Aumua Harmon TJ and Telea. And smart work by Razor and OGara filling all the last spots with La Rochelle players to bring familiarity all round.

Should be an interesting match.

@kiwi_expat Some sauces say it's more or less a done deal that Razor and O'Gara will be in charge of England after the 2023 RWC.

Why is this game taking place at the exact same time as the All Blacks Scotland test? Crap work from the scheduling department.

@sparky ABs on Prime only (should be a full match replay) and ABs XV on Viaplay only.

@sparky said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@kiwi_expat Some sauces say it's more or less a done deal that Razor and O'Gara will be in charge of England after the 2023 RWC.

The Barbarians gig is just a sideshow, the primary reason Razor travelled to London was to meet with RFU.

@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@sparky ABs on Prime only (should be a full match replay) and ABs XV on Viaplay only.

I'll see if I can get a copy of the Baabaas match if anyone's interested.

@Bones Yes please, count me in bro.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Roigard will really benefit from regular game time at Super Rugby level. He's got a good skillset but he needs to quicken some aspects of his game up - could see vs Ireland A he didn't have the time and space he was offered at NPC level.

As for Aumua and Harmon, unfortunately they are needed in the AB camp in case of a late injury. Can't be in two places at once.

Aumua sure.
Harmon, no. Sotutu could easily come in if there was an injury to a loosie. Even if the injury was to a 7 there'd still be sufficient cover.

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@sparky said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@kiwi_expat Some sauces say it's more or less a done deal that Razor and O'Gara will be in charge of England after the 2023 RWC.

The Barbarians gig is just a sideshow, the primary reason Razor travelled to London was to meet with RFU.

No that’s speculation,Razor has always made it clear he would like the AB job after the 2023 WC,
He has also held talks with the NZR before he flew to USA to attend a coaching seminar in San Diego 2 weeks ago,then he travelled to England for the Babas gig.

@Chris yes, it was a joke.

At game. Bryce Heem scores!

@Jailbreak7
What’s the score please?

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Chris yes, it was a joke.

Aren't jokes supposed to be funny?

Poor tackle Patty T. Soft try.

score?

Score in this game?

@Tim said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Score in this game?

Haven't seen the game but 35 - 31 to the Babas.

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Tim said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Score in this game?

Haven't seen the game but 35 - 31 to the Babas.

I'm just watching now in bits and Stevenson gave a backhanded SBW special that was very sweet.

Just watching now into 50th minute as the Baabas take a great speculative try to take the lead 26-24. DMac trying his heart out but looks a lone soldier going back (not sure where 15 was).
Looks more exciting than the AB Scotland game to be honest.

DMac nearly pop-kicked to Stevenson a magic try, but SS just muffs it. Still looks a class act.
Gotta say 5 min in this is not normal Baa Baas-they look fit, dedicated, and organized!

What was the crowd for this game? The stadium looked mostly empty.

@nostrildamus they seemed to be winning in the forwards and making gains up the middle and around the rucks. Maybe credit to Razor.

Lack of physicality up front for the AB XV. Christie was everywhere but he is not strong enough to be effective. Jacobson was outmuscled by Mercer. Gardiner was good in open play but was nowhere to be seen in the tight exchanges. Tamaiti Williams is not a tight head prop. Even in the NPC, he was not at ease on this side of the scrum. He should concentrate on the loose head IMO but with Jager out, I fear the Crusaders will use him on the tight head as they have Moody (?), Bower and Brewis for the Nr.1 jersey. McAllister had a game to forget. Makalio did better when he came in. Dickson was very good during the first spell before fading during the second. I was expecting more from PT. A few strong carries though. Aidan Ross was solid but failed to show that he is AB material. Cortima brought his dynamism and strength when he came in. He was pretty good. DMac tried too much at times, but we are used to it. He showed a few moments of sheer brilliance, such as his pass for the first try and his kick for Stevenson. The latter again showed his class but seemed lost at times. His positioning was caught badly a few times. He is a better wing than fullback IMO. Nankivell was outstanding till his injury. Sullivan did well when he came in and showed his pace. Aumua and Heem were mostly anonymous. All in all, it seems that the team lineup against Ireland A was far better, particularly in the loose forwards.

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Lack of physicality up front for the AB XV. Christie was everywhere but he is not strong enough to be effective. Jacobson was outmuscled by Mercer. Gardiner was good in open play but was nowhere to be seen in the tight exchanges. Tamaiti Williams is not a tight head prop. Even in the NPC, he was not at ease on this side of the scrum. He should concentrate on the loose head IMO but with Jager out, I fear the Crusaders will use him on the tight head as they have Moody (?), Bower and Brewis for the Nr.1 jersey. McAllister had a game to forget. Makalio did better when he came in. Dickson was very good during the first spell before fading during the second. I was expecting more from PT. A few strong carries though. Aidan Ross was solid but failed to show that he is AB material. Cortima brought his dynamism and strength when he came in. He was pretty good. DMac tried too much at times, but we are used to it. He showed a few moments of sheer brilliance, such as his pass for the first try and his kick for Stevenson. The latter again showed his class but seemed lost at times. His positioning was caught badly a few times. He is a better wing than fullback IMO. Nankivell was outstanding till his injury. Sullivan did well when he came in and showed his pace. Aumua and Heem were mostly anonymous. All in all, it seems that the team lineup against Ireland A was far better, particularly in the loose forwards.

Good summary

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Lack of physicality up front for the AB XV. Christie was everywhere but he is not strong enough to be effective. Jacobson was outmuscled by Mercer. Gardiner was good in open play but was nowhere to be seen in the tight exchanges. Tamaiti Williams is not a tight head prop. Even in the NPC, he was not at ease on this side of the scrum. He should concentrate on the loose head IMO but with Jager out, I fear the Crusaders will use him on the tight head as they have Moody (?), Bower and Brewis for the Nr.1 jersey. McAllister had a game to forget. Makalio did better when he came in. Dickson was very good during the first spell before fading during the second. I was expecting more from PT. A few strong carries though. Aidan Ross was solid but failed to show that he is AB material. Cortima brought his dynamism and strength when he came in. He was pretty good. DMac tried too much at times, but we are used to it. He showed a few moments of sheer brilliance, such as his pass for the first try and his kick for Stevenson. The latter again showed his class but seemed lost at times. His positioning was caught badly a few times. He is a better wing than fullback IMO. Nankivell was outstanding till his injury. Sullivan did well when he came in and showed his pace. Aumua and Heem were mostly anonymous. All in all, it seems that the team lineup against Ireland A was far better, particularly in the loose forwards.

Someone must have done something right because the difference was two missed conversions - 5 tries each wasn't it? If I didn't know the score, after reading above I would have guessed NZ got pumped.

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Lack of physicality up front for the AB XV.

That was definitely the difference to the Ireland A game. Both halfbacks often got the ball under pressure because of the platform up front.

Nankivell and Stevenson were the only players to enhance their reputation. Makalio looked unfit in the time he was on the field. Both hookers missed some crucial lineout throws, none more so than on FT.

Aumua was very ordinary I thought. Slow and got shown up on defence a number of times. If he is in the mix for the ABs we've got problems.

@broughie said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@nostrildamus they seemed to be winning in the forwards and making gains up the middle and around the rucks. Maybe credit to Razor.

I think that was my point!

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Lack of physicality up front for the AB XV. Christie was everywhere but he is not strong enough to be effective. Jacobson was outmuscled by Mercer. Gardiner was good in open play but was nowhere to be seen in the tight exchanges. Tamaiti Williams is not a tight head prop. Even in the NPC, he was not at ease on this side of the scrum. He should concentrate on the loose head IMO but with Jager out, I fear the Crusaders will use him on the tight head as they have Moody (?), Bower and Brewis for the Nr.1 jersey. McAllister had a game to forget. Makalio did better when he came in. Dickson was very good during the first spell before fading during the second. I was expecting more from PT. A few strong carries though. Aidan Ross was solid but failed to show that he is AB material. Cortima brought his dynamism and strength when he came in. He was pretty good. DMac tried too much at times, but we are used to it. He showed a few moments of sheer brilliance, such as his pass for the first try and his kick for Stevenson. The latter again showed his class but seemed lost at times. His positioning was caught badly a few times. He is a better wing than fullback IMO. Nankivell was outstanding till his injury. Sullivan did well when he came in and showed his pace. Aumua and Heem were mostly anonymous. All in all, it seems that the team lineup against Ireland A was far better, particularly in the loose forwards.

Well summarised. MMT more impactful than Jacobson at 8 IMO.
NZ XV did well considering they were so behind with 2 yellow cards.
Ngatai waddles like a burst duck but still made incisive 'runs' - weird to watch.
Also weird-Christie looked like a boy AND an old man!
Yes Razors team looked better coached - did he really only have 2 weeks?

I've only seen bits and pieces of this game (will watch the full replay tonight), but I think they got the selection of the AB XV wrong. In multiple positions, but I'd like to stress that Mikeale-Tu'u is the best non-All Black no. 8 we have at the moment. Better than Jacobson.

After last week's game, I expected more from Dmac and Stevenson. This was not their game.

Oh, and all those people who suggested that the Baabaas would be easy beats: go eat humble pie! They played well!

Finally, RAZOR WON!!!

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Mikeale-Tu'u is the best non-All Black no. 8

Peter Lakai says hi.

@Canes4life A young promising puppy, but not quite there yet. Has never played at a level above NPC. Will get there, hopefully. Someone to watch for after the 2023RWC.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Finally, RAZOR WON!!!

and O'Gara...