I would think that as part of the Collective Employment Agreement the players would need to get permission from their employer. And given the circumstances I wouldn't want to help the Barbarians.

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

There are still premiership games on, is on its way out. Baa Baas used to be a who's who, with one non capped player. Now they're mostly random barrel scrapings, or almost a trial team for an international side, like France B last year

@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.

There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.

Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?

Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass

Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.

So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year

@Machpants This was what my question was about:

And given the circumstances I wouldn't want to help the Barbarians.

@Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year

Baabaas players never missed a rest week. They arrived a week later for preseason and that was never a problem.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

@Bovidae Not sure he was offered the XV job; wasn't that just speculation?

Even if it was, I don't see why NZR wouldn't allow NZ players to play for the Baabaas and deny them the opportunity. Would be pretty pathetic. You'd think that NZR would welcome the opportunity for players to earn some extra income as that's what keeps them in NZ (longer).

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

@Stargazer As of yet there are no non-touring Aust, Arg or SA players either, so probably not a priority for any of the SANZAAR teams.

@Bovidae That's assuming they were asked. Maybe they weren't.

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

Either way we can blame a Cantab.

@Nepia Wouldn't be the first time!

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

Either way we can blame a Cantab.

We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

Either way we can blame a Cantab.

We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

You had me until the bold.

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

Either way we can blame a Cantab.

We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

You had me until the bold.

I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.

@Frye said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Players announced so far:

Forwards:
Zach Mercer
Camille Chat
Aaron Wainwright
John Ryan
Joe Marler

Backs:
Tawera Kerr Barlow
Rhys Webb
Brice Dulin
Teddy Thomas
George Bridge
Josua Tuisova
Joe Marchant

Tough job ahead for Razor !

Anyone going to this? I’m tempted but trying to scoop a bargain perhaps as the crowd is going to be pitiful. Scheduling genius of NZRU clashing with the ABs and with people paying so much throughout the the month.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

Either way we can blame a Cantab.

We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

You had me until the bold.

I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.

Subtlety is an art.

@Bones said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

Either way we can blame a Cantab.

We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

You had me until the bold.

I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.

Subtlety is an art.

Why, thank you!

@Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.

There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.

Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?

Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass

Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.

So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year

Even amateur players are required to a clearance to play for Barbarians or anywhere outside their country, always been so from what I know.

Barbarians squad:

FORWARDS

Facundo Bosch (Stade Rochelais, Argentina)

Camille Chat (Stade Rochelais, France)

George Henri Colombe (Stade Rochelais)

Cedate Gomes Sa (Racing 92, France)

Joe Marler (Harlequins, England)

Zach Mercer (Montpellier, England)

John Ryan (Munster, Ireland)

Romain Sazy (Stade Rochelais)

Lekima Tagitagivalu (Section Paloise, Fiji)

Aaron Wainwright (Dragons, Wales)

Lauret Wenceslas (Racing 92, France)

Luke Whitelock (Section Paloise, New Zealand)

BACKS

George Bridge (Montpellier, New Zealand)

Antoine Hastoy (Stade Rochelais, France)

Tawera Kerr Barlow (Stade Rochelais, New Zealand)

Dillyn Leyds (Stade Rochelais, South Africa)

Joe Marchant (Harlequins, England)

Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)

Remi Picquette (Stade Rochelais)

Raymond Rhule (Stade Rochelais, South Africa)

Teddy Thomas (Stade Rochelais, France)

Rhys Webb (Ospreys, Wales)

Ihaia West (Toulon)

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)

ABs XV is fucked now.

@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)

ABs XV is fucked now.

But Jesus never sinned and never married so must have remained a virgin?

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Actually quite a good team, other than bare at lock?

Reckon the ABs XV will win this by 15 to 20 points.

Just as well O'Gara can choose so many of his own club players to make up the numbers.

@game_film said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Anyone going to this? I’m tempted but trying to scoop a bargain perhaps as the crowd is going to be pitiful. Scheduling genius of NZRU clashing with the ABs and with people paying so much throughout the the month.

I'm taking my eldest along (8) and hoping for a bit of fun. His main question was if any Barretts would be there

@Stargazer Looks like four Kiwis are playing, are there any more on that list?

@SBW1 Five Kiwis: Whitelock, Bridge, Kerr-Barlow, Ngatai and West.

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Just as well O'Gara can choose so many of his own club players to make up the numbers.

You may add Ihaia West who was playing for La Rochelle last season.

@Stargazer and Mercer who is half kiwi.

Baaabaas are well known for their dynamic exciting play.

Then there is Luke Whitelock and George Bridge.

@Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@ARHS said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

This seems so Micky Mouse. Half the team not even announced a week out. Usually Baabaas teams are trumpeted a long way out to encourage spectators and viewers. Is it a full house already?

Because the calendar is so congested nowadays they struggle to get players, baa baas is a dying concept

That last baabaas v England game was terrific. A good baabaas side with a lot of talent that played with a good solid set piece and then opened the game up. Was really enjoyable.

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

@ARHS said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

This seems so Micky Mouse. Half the team not even announced a week out. Usually Baabaas teams are trumpeted a long way out to encourage spectators and viewers. Is it a full house already?

Because the calendar is so congested nowadays they struggle to get players, baa baas is a dying concept

That last baabaas v England game was terrific. A good baabaas side with a lot of talent that played with a good solid set piece and then opened the game up. Was really enjoyable.

They was the trench b team, you mean? Yeah good gamer but really took there piss out of Baa Baas concept by being a training vehicle for France

@game_film said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

Anyone going to this? I’m tempted but trying to scoop a bargain perhaps as the crowd is going to be pitiful. Scheduling genius of NZRU clashing with the ABs and with people paying so much throughout the the month.

Just picked up tickets. Were re-sales, so good. Stoked to be going. The damn thing is the train travel getting there. Been listening to Dave Dobbyn all week!