Couple of bloody interesting takes right there! Pretty hard to disagree with how the 2 of them put down their thoughts, and what their thoughts were.
RWC Week 2: Australia
Match thread
Fiji
@booboo said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Keep up the good work fellas @mariner4life @NTA ...
a few people over at GAGR will read that and join the dots.
I'm more diplomatic over there about people like Petaia because otherwise all the Queenslanders immolate 
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
USA Rugby emphatically agrees
I'd back us to turn it around quicker than them. The USA is a basket case.
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
I'm sure plenty of people would disagree, but I would've had JOC standing next to him at 12
i still think the guy at 12 is awesome so can't agree. JOC probably just needed to show something this year to get picked, unfortunately he really didn't
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
I'm sure plenty of people would disagree, but I would've had JOC standing next to him at 12
That isn't a bad call - and let's face it: 2023 Kerevi is a shadow of the pre-injury version so no great loss.
There are other issues we have. At THP we're fucked - AAA, Tupou, and Pone all injured. Any nation missing its top 3 tight heads would be feeling it. But those are injuries, not selection issues, of which we have many.
Eddie's pursuit of a longer term plan for 2025 and 2027 is basically ignoring our paper-thin depth. He could have taken the older heads to France, got similar results, then cleaned house at the end of this year if he wanted.
@NTA said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Eddie's pursuit of a longer term plan for 2025 and 2027 is basically ignoring our paper-thin depth. He could have taken the older heads to France, got similar results, then cleaned house at the end of this year if he wanted.
However, on that point, I've never ever EVER seen a senior exec come into an organisation and not set fire to something.
Even if it was all working fine. Got to make a statement, and all the old farts probably loved it.
The same old farts who think we shouldn't have Super Rugby and that Club Rugby was good enough in their day...
Side note: I was at a rugby piston wristed gibbon's lunch a few weeks back.
Andrew Blades (RWC1999 winning prop) was a speaker. He did not hold back on Eddie during his time involved in the game, particularly as an assistant coach.
Another who had worked under Eddie was sitting at my table and had very little to say about him that was good.
You've really got to wonder why Rennie was booted.
the "this RWC means nothing it's all about 2025 and 2027" ignores the fact that this country loooves Aussies against the World
Miss the QFs and have the Super sides still sucking and there might not be any Aussie fans by 2025
I have some sympathy for the idea of a cleanout
Maybe there's players who are too comfortable with being losers? Maybe there's other negative culture shit they need to get rid of?
However you can't go into a cup with one 10. You have to have at least one exception to the cull
@NTA said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
USA Rugby emphatically agrees
I'd back us to turn it around quicker than them. The USA is a basket case.
True, however hard it will be to rebuild the Wallabies, at least there probably won't be a civil war on at the same time
@NTA said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Another who had worked under Eddie was sitting at my table and had very little to say about him that was good.
Joe Marler wasn't a fan based on recent comments.
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Yes I agree, if they won't take Cooper they should have taken Samu. Hell, I don't know why they dropped Samu, he was a hardworking glue guy forward.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Yes I agree, if they won't take Cooper they should have taken Samu. Hell, I don't know why they dropped Samu, he was a hardworking glue guy forward.
Tainted with kiwiness
@NTA said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@LABCAT said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
who goes through to the QF's if all three teams finish on 15 points?
Several factors influence pool placings and a team’s qualification to the knockout stages. If teams are level on points at the end of the group stage, the list of criteria for deciding who advances is as follows:
- The winner of the match between two tied teams is ranked higher.
- The team with the best points difference in the pool stages is ranked higher.
- The team with the best difference between tries scored and tries conceded in the pool stages is ranked higher.
- The team which has scored the most points in the pool stages is ranked higher.
- The team which has scored the most tries in the pool stages is ranked higher.
Should the teams remain level after steps 1-5, official World Rugby Rankings on a set date will determine the higher ranked team
Or it could just be alphabetical order
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Not sure if you watched the post-match press conference, someone asked Eddie that exact question - "do you regret not taking an old head in the squad, someone for Carter to chat with afterwards and lean on for support?" And "with no senior 10 there, who does he turn to for support after a game like that?"
Eddies response was "no, no regrets, we picked Carter, he's fine, he has plenty of support".
Typically dismissive response.
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Yes I agree, if they won't take Cooper they should have taken Samu. Hell, I don't know why they dropped Samu, he was a hardworking glue guy forward.
Tainted with kiwiness
Born in OZ I think! I reckon he just wasn't the right physical stats for Eddie. That coach has a big lazy size issue.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Yes I agree, if they won't take Cooper they should have taken Samu. Hell, I don't know why they dropped Samu, he was a hardworking glue guy forward.
Tainted with kiwiness
Born in OZ I think! I reckon he just wasn't the right physical stats for Eddie. That coach has a big lazy size issue.
Ah but played for the crusaders, yuck
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
I would just like to commend Shag for going to go and have a chat to the Wallaby lads recently. Now mate if you could just do the same over at the Irish, Saffa and French camps also that would be much appreciated.
Not that I am overly scared and paranoid but can he please add the Italians to his visitation list?
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
I would just like to commend Shag for going to go and have a chat to the Wallaby lads recently. Now mate if you could just do the same over at the Irish, Saffa and French camps also that would be much appreciated.
Did he visit the ABs before or after France...
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
I would just like to commend Shag for going to go and have a chat to the Wallaby lads recently. Now mate if you could just do the same over at the Irish, Saffa and French camps also that would be much appreciated.
Not that I am overly scared and paranoid but can he please add the Italians to his visitation list?
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
I would just like to commend Shag for going to go and have a chat to the Wallaby lads recently. Now mate if you could just do the same over at the Irish, Saffa and French camps also that would be much appreciated.
Did he visit the ABs before or after France...
Didn't need to, MiniShag is coach..
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Yes I agree, if they won't take Cooper they should have taken Samu. Hell, I don't know why they dropped Samu, he was a hardworking glue guy forward.
Tainted with kiwiness
Born in OZ I think! I reckon he just wasn't the right physical stats for Eddie. That coach has a big lazy size issue.
And yet he kept picking Billy Vunipola. If you look up big and lazy in the encyclopaedia there is a picture of Billy.
It’s quite interesting to compare Eddie’s approach in taking over England v taking over Aus. For England he relied almost totally on the old guard. Perhaps Lancaster had left England in a better place than we thought? It would have been good to find out what Eddie would have done with Burgess if he’d stayed on.
@Catogrande said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Eddie would have done with Burgess if he’d stayed on.
made him attack coach
Not a problem. Eddie’s attack coaches don’t last long.
@Catogrande said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
Their young 10 they've chucked in teh deep end Eddie towed, and will now probably never play again
Gordon is super talented.. I can't believe how bad they've mishandled him
They were asking a lot by making him ten this year, but you could make an argument that he was ready. However, the only ten in the squad? A ten in side that lacks other kicking options? Crazy
and they took no old head to help him manage it. Foley or Cooper, even if you didn't intend to play them much, would have been huge for his confidence and to help him navigate it.
But no, you take only him, and as soon as it gets tough, you tow him? appalling man management (from the outside)
Yes I agree, if they won't take Cooper they should have taken Samu. Hell, I don't know why they dropped Samu, he was a hardworking glue guy forward.
Tainted with kiwiness
Born in OZ I think! I reckon he just wasn't the right physical stats for Eddie. That coach has a big lazy size issue.
And yet he kept picking Billy Vunipola. If you look up big and lazy in the encyclopaedia there is a picture of Billy.
I worded it badly, Samu is not big for a loosie let alone fat or lazy.
I did mean Eddie likes big players who have good stats and look good in short bursts/in training.
Ah. My mistake. It all makes sense now.
@Duluth said in RWC Week 2: Australia v Fiji:
I have some sympathy for the idea of a cleanout
Maybe there's players who are too comfortable with being losers? Maybe there's other negative culture shit they need to get rid of?
However you can't go into a cup with one 10. You have to have at least one exception to the cull
There are 2
Donaldson
I’d pull the Iestyn Harris rugby league move against us
Gordon to start at 10, Donaldson at 15
Then move to Donaldson to 10 and bring on Kellaway
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