After a massive shift last night and a few injury concerns, what’s everyone thinking for test 2 in Welly?

I wouldn’t make too many changes personally and I think Razor will stick with the majority of the 23 that got the job done last night.

Taylor probably won’t be playing and Narawa definitely won’t be so McCalister comes in.

I’d go with:

1. Williams
2. Taukei’aho
3. Newell (Lomax can continue to return off the bench for now)
4. Barrett
5. Va’ai
6. Parker
7. Savea
8. Sititi
9. Ratima/Christie
10. Barrett
11. Clarke
12. Barrett
13. Proctor
14. Jordan
15. Love
16. McCalister
17. De Groot
18. Lomax
19. Holland
20. Jacobson
21. Christie/Preston
22. McKenzie
23. Tupaea

Taylor is a big loss. I thought he was close to our best before he went off. Scrum was pretty solid too.

It would be great to hear an honest assessment from the front row on what was happening when we lost those scrums. We got robbed on a dominant scrum also, so it will be fascinating how that plays out next week.

@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.

I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.

I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.

(FYI it's McAlister.)

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.

I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.

I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.

(FYI it's McAlister.)

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Surely after Finau’s dogshite performances in the NPC and ABs this year puts him firmly out of contention

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.

I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.

I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.

(FYI it's McAlister.)

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Surely after Finau’s dogshite performances in the NPC and ABs this year puts him firmly out of contention

Yep a big no to Finau. It’s either Lakai or Jacobson for me.

If we could have more of the tactics we employed in the first 20 minutes, and less of the rest, I'd be happy. Don't take the foot off the gas

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.

I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.

I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.

(FYI it's McAlister.)

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Surely after Finau’s dogshite performances in the NPC and ABs this year puts him firmly out of contention

Yep a big no to Finau. It’s either Lakai or Jacobson for me.

Jacobson makes the most sense with Lakai still on the way back to full fitness (?). Or both, not sure why we aren’t doing the 6-2 bench considering the tactics employed last night

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.

I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.

I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.

(FYI it's McAlister.)

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Surely after Finau’s dogshite performances in the NPC and ABs this year puts him firmly out of contention

Yep a big no to Finau. It’s either Lakai or Jacobson for me.

Jacobson makes the most sense with Lakai still on the way back to full fitness (?). Or both, not sure why we aren’t doing the 6-2 bench considering the tactics employed last night

Yeah that could be a good shout. Especially if it’s shite weather.

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Taylor is a big loss. I thought he was close to our best before he went off. Scrum was pretty solid too.

It would be great to hear an honest assessment from the front row on what was happening when we lost those scrums. We got robbed on a dominant scrum also, so it will be fascinating how that plays out next week.

To balance out the Codie books we lost a couple of lineouts on his throws.

Yeah, I think there were a couple of scrums that we were penalised on that should have been resets but it seems the ref had decided we were the culprits of every collapsed scrum. Our scrum is usually pretty decent so I tend to think it was more an off night than a poor scrum - I guess we'll find out on Saturday.

@Nepia one of those lineout losses were dodgy. The Bok lifters threw one of their jumpers over to our side. Last time I checked that wasn’t allowed.

Just watched the PC with Ryan. Taylor is definitely out and Narawa will most probably be out too. Cortez is looking likely and even Hotham could be back for next week. Sounds like they will be bringing in Bell to replace Taylor.

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Just watched the PC with Ryan. Taylor is definitely out and Narawa will most probably be out too. Cortez is looking likely and even Hotham could be back for next week. Sounds like they will be bringing in Bell to replace Taylor.

There’s a Shield defence against Ta$man, Bell is unavailable for AB duty

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Also any halfback, including Williams, would have to be better than Williams last night.

I kind of wouldn't mind pushing Jordie back to 15 and having Tupaea starting 12 obviously then Jordan to wing with Clarke.
I would also start Dmac at 10 with BB on the bench (prefer Love but they won't drop BB)

I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Nepia one of those lineout losses were dodgy. The Bok lifters threw one of their jumpers over to our side. Last time I checked that wasn’t allowed.

Yeah they were doing that most lineouts they won, it was smart as the ref didn't give a shit. I think the one you're talking about was so not straight they caught it on the AB side of the AB jumpers.

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Also any halfback, including Williams, would have to be better than Williams last night.

With those conditions and his relative strengths, the Boks would’ve been better served starting Reinach And playing him for the majority of the match.

Newell seemed to get schooled at scrum time by Ox?

The Springboks are angry and will be wanting to show a defiant response to losing at Eden Park. They will go after perceived vulnerabilities in our set piece work.

Great opportunity for the ABs to go 2-0 on the South Africans and to get one hand on the Rugby Championship.

Don't expect much change.

Ratima to start if fit. Sami T for Cody Taylor, Jordan to wing & DMac to 15 if Caleb Clarke unavailable. Reuben Love in the 23.

A Georgian ref next game I see ‍️

@family-man said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

A Georgian ref next game I see ‍️

Ugh

@family-man said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

A Georgian ref next game I see ‍️

Likes a scrum pen.

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@family-man said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

A Georgian ref next game I see ‍️

Likes a scrum pen.

Better get the reps in with the scrum machine then

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.

I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.

I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.

(FYI it's McAlister.)

How does Rassie react?

Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.

Surely after Finau’s dogshite performances in the NPC and ABs this year puts him firmly out of contention

Yep a big no to Finau. It’s either Lakai or Jacobson for me.

LOL Fuck off.

Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.

Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.

@dman68 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Newell seemed to get schooled at scrum time by Ox?

Could see Lomax and Williams starting. Lomax is well used to Nche, and EDG better equipped to cope with Louw, especially with McAlister beside him.

Imagine Ratima back in 23. Perhaps Clarke to 11 and Ioane to 14?

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.

Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.

I hope Rieko is dropped.

Boks will have Jasper Wiese back, so Van Straden to bench. Lood de Jager will start. Can imagine a new fullback to start, perhaps Fassi or Willemse.
Faf will be in 23. Tough on Nortje, but I think Snyman will be restored to bench. My instinct is 6-2. Could make a case for SFM to start and Pollard to be closer.

Something like:

1. De Groot
2. Taukei'aho
3. Newell
4. Vaa'i
5. S. Barrett (c)
6. Parker
7. A. Savea
8. Sititi
9. Ratima
10. D Mac
11. C. Clarke
12. J. Barrett
13. B. Proctor
14. Jordan
15. Love

16. McAlister
17. T. Williams
18. Lomax
19. Holland
20. Lakai
21. Christie
22. B. Barrett
23. L. Fainga'anuku

@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

I hope Rieko is dropped.

Strong agreement.

LOL Fuck off.

Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.

Are you Finau’s mother?

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.

Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.

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Occupied positions by Jordie on start team :
Fullback : 91 times ( Fullback 51% )
Center : 77 times ( Inside Centre 38%, Outside Centre 4% )
Winger : 11 times ( Right Wing 6%, Left Wing 1% )
Fly-Half : 1 times ( Fly-Half 1% )

So about eight ties in ~200 games. Presumably none of them for the All Blacks. Any of them recently for the Canes?

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.

Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.

View embedded content

Occupied positions by Jordie on start team :
Fullback : 91 times ( Fullback 51% )
Center : 77 times ( Inside Centre 38%, Outside Centre 4% )
Winger : 11 times ( Right Wing 6%, Left Wing 1% )
Fly-Half : 1 times ( Fly-Half 1% )

So about eight ties in ~200 games. Presumably none of them for the All Blacks. Any of them recently for the Canes?

Fullback counts as 13. Just ask Cullen.

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

LOL Fuck off.

Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.

Are you Finau’s mother?

Must be with that response.

Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.

Bok team announced 7 p.m. NZT today.

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

LOL Fuck off.

Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.

Are you Finau’s mother?

Must be with that response.

Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.

Parker looks better than him already.