New Zealand needs to develop some First Fives with a skill set similar to George Ford. Too many of our 10s melt at Test level because of poor kicking and defensive games and not really coping with the lack of space.
Beauden Barrett hasn't been the answer this year. I don't think bringing back Richie Mo'unga is the answer either.
After a couple of early mistakes DMac steadied. Multiple penalties on England and DMac puts WJ over with a nice move. But for most of the final quarter we are unable to create a platform in the forwards to get back onto attack. Ball to the backs is slow and too many times we are caught well behind the gain line. What was noticeable to me was the youthfulness of the England team, NZ not so much
Watching the post match. I always found Goldie to be an AB fan bois, but both he and Mils are increasingly critical of this team
BB needs to be stood down for Wales. DMac to start with Love at 23. Ardie should start on the bench. Leicester and QT into MF. Lord, Darry and Holland should be the locks. I expect Razor to pick BB Ardie and SB 
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
New Zealand needs to develop some First Fives with a skill set similar to George Ford. Too many of our 10s melt at Test level because of poor kicking and defensive games and not really coping with the lack of space.
If NZ Rugby had an nz eligible George Ford and he won Super Rugby he wouldn't get a proper shot at the ABs he would be relegated to playing AB XV..... that's the issue.....
@KiwiMurph Closest we had was Harry Plummer......
@Gunner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Beauden Barrett, not once but twice, fucking TWICE missing touch from penalties which put us deep inside their 22. Changed the whole game. Even if we don’t score, England are pinned in their own end and can’t kick 2x drop kicks. That’s inexcusable, he should have been pulled off straight after the 2nd one.
Aaron Goile in his player ratings seems to be saying that Cam Roigard rather than Beaudy kicked that second one that missed touch. Anyone notice if that's correct?
I thought BB wasn't kicking the one Jordan kicked because his confidence was shot, but maybe he was carrying a groin injury or similar.
I can live with a first five who occasionally misses touch like that first one, because you've got to kick with ambition to get close to the line - and you're using your foot not a rifle.
Missing two was a killer.
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Gunner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Beauden Barrett, not once but twice, fucking TWICE missing touch from penalties which put us deep inside their 22. Changed the whole game. Even if we don’t score, England are pinned in their own end and can’t kick 2x drop kicks. That’s inexcusable, he should have been pulled off straight after the 2nd one.
Aaron Goile in his player ratings seems to be saying that Cam Roigard rather than Beaudy kicked that second one that missed touch. Anyone notice if that's correct?
I thought BB wasn't kicking the one Jordan kicked because his confidence was shot, but maybe he was carrying a groin injury or similar.
I can live with a first five who occasionally misses touch like that first one, because you've got to kick with ambition to get close to the line - and you're using your foot not a rifle.
Missing two was a killer.
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Gunner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Beauden Barrett, not once but twice, fucking TWICE missing touch from penalties which put us deep inside their 22. Changed the whole game. Even if we don’t score, England are pinned in their own end and can’t kick 2x drop kicks. That’s inexcusable, he should have been pulled off straight after the 2nd one.
Aaron Goile in his player ratings seems to be saying that Cam Roigard rather than Beaudy kicked that second one that missed touch. Anyone notice if that's correct?
I thought BB wasn't kicking the one Jordan kicked because his confidence was shot, but maybe he was carrying a groin injury or similar.
I can live with a first five who occasionally misses touch like that first one, because you've got to kick with ambition to get close to the line - and you're using your foot not a rifle.
Missing two was a killer.
Yes Roigard missed the 2nd touch, and then Will Jordan was taking them early in the 2nd half.
If BB was injured, why was he kept out there?
Razor mentions the two missed penalty touch finders. He also mentions that Cam and BB were both knocked up. Surely that means BB is left out next week? Listening to Razor, I am increasingly convinced that Razor hasn't a clue
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
I can live with a first five who occasionally misses touch like that first one, because you've got to kick with ambition to get close to the line - and you're using your foot not a rifle
Disagree. It's about context.
The first one we were up 12-5 I believe and would have been 15 metres out with a conservative kick. There was no need to push the envelope to try and get 5 metres out. Especially as he was on the right side using his right foot so without a banana kick it's naturally going to curl infield. Absolutely ridiculously by a 140+ test capped All Black.
Mils has it. We have some great players. But we continue to be inconsistent in the same areas. I think he's saying the fault is with Razor without saying it. Goldie is chiming in too, saying we aren't playing what's in front of us. Mils and Goldie are gutted, Taylah Johnson is the pitch side interviewer who notes how many of the players don't seem that gutted to lose the way she expected them to
@KiwiMurph We'll have to disagree on that one.
Five minutes from the end of the game, I'm happy with the conservative approach - but, the lineout drive is the easiest try-scoring option in the game so I want my first five to be brave enough to risk missing occasionally.
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph We'll have to disagree on that one.
Five minutes from the end of the game, I'm happy with the conservative approach - but, the lineout drive is the easiest try-scoring option in the game so I want my first five to be brave enough to risk missing occasionally.
You are up. Away from home. Already have momentum in the game. On this ocassion I dont believe in the risk reward. I think our chances of scoring aren't improved by as much as you think when you are playing England at Twickers.. Not worth the risk reward
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Taylah Johnson is the pitch side interviewer who notes how many of the players don't seem that gutted to lose the way she expected them to
I've never gone for the "players don't mind losing' theory. But after some of the play we've seen this year, I'm not so sure
Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?
I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.
The chickens came home to roost today
one gun halfback and no one else
A first five who cant kick the ball out of hand good enough for test level and refuses to ever threaten the defence by running
dont have enough speed in the backs
a glory boy at 7 who cherry picks
a captain who never looks like a natural leader
A loosie in Sititi who is anything but 'both sides of the ball'
An empty shirt in ALB
Only trust one hooker apparently.
Defensive system which constantly exposes us to overlaps
Young players in the ABs, ABXV or not even in either squad that never get given an opportunity at test level
Below par high ball work
Below par restart kickoffs where we hand opposition easy exits.
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?
I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.
I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective
