@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:

I can live with a first five who occasionally misses touch like that first one, because you've got to kick with ambition to get close to the line - and you're using your foot not a rifle

Disagree. It's about context.

The first one we were up 12-5 I believe and would have been 15 metres out with a conservative kick. There was no need to push the envelope to try and get 5 metres out. Especially as he was on the right side using his right foot so without a banana kick it's naturally going to curl infield. Absolutely ridiculously by a 140+ test capped All Black.

Mils has it. We have some great players. But we continue to be inconsistent in the same areas. I think he's saying the fault is with Razor without saying it. Goldie is chiming in too, saying we aren't playing what's in front of us. Mils and Goldie are gutted, Taylah Johnson is the pitch side interviewer who notes how many of the players don't seem that gutted to lose the way she expected them to

@KiwiMurph We'll have to disagree on that one.

Five minutes from the end of the game, I'm happy with the conservative approach - but, the lineout drive is the easiest try-scoring option in the game so I want my first five to be brave enough to risk missing occasionally.

@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph We'll have to disagree on that one.

Five minutes from the end of the game, I'm happy with the conservative approach - but, the lineout drive is the easiest try-scoring option in the game so I want my first five to be brave enough to risk missing occasionally.

You are up. Away from home. Already have momentum in the game. On this ocassion I dont believe in the risk reward. I think our chances of scoring aren't improved by as much as you think when you are playing England at Twickers.. Not worth the risk reward

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

Taylah Johnson is the pitch side interviewer who notes how many of the players don't seem that gutted to lose the way she expected them to

I've never gone for the "players don't mind losing' theory. But after some of the play we've seen this year, I'm not so sure

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

The chickens came home to roost today

one gun halfback and no one else

A first five who cant kick the ball out of hand good enough for test level and refuses to ever threaten the defence by running

dont have enough speed in the backs

a glory boy at 7 who cherry picks

a captain who never looks like a natural leader

A loosie in Sititi who is anything but 'both sides of the ball'

An empty shirt in ALB

Only trust one hooker apparently.

Defensive system which constantly exposes us to overlaps

Young players in the ABs, ABXV or not even in either squad that never get given an opportunity at test level

Below par high ball work

Below par restart kickoffs where we hand opposition easy exits.

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Why not, we are playing Wales? This mentality is exactly why the ABs aren’t improving. Give Love the keys, he’s certainly capable enough. Our year is already a failure in my view, let’s at least try something different and see what Love has got to offer. He certainly can’t be any worse than what Beauden offered today.

Soooo will we see Ruben Love get his usual 7 mins on the wing next week?

@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:

Soooo will we see Ruben Love get his usual 7 mins on the wing next week?

Most likely. Pathetic really. I missed when an ABs coach had balls.

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:

What’s becoming obvious, is how far South Africa are ahead of the pack,

It’s them , then the rest battling it out

Yet they got smacked by the Wallabies at home and lost convincingly to us at Eden Park. Their ceiling is the highest but they too are inconsistent

Not as consistent as our 2011 -2015 side but there is no real sign of a decline , if anything they might be getting better and the way it’s looking right now , they could be on their way to winning their third World Cup in a row . Going to be difficult to deny their greatness if that happens.

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

Mils has it. We have some great players. But we continue to be inconsistent in the same areas. I think he's saying the fault is with Razor without saying it. Goldie is chiming in too, saying we aren't playing what's in front of us. Mils and Goldie are gutted, Taylah Johnson is the pitch side interviewer who notes how many of the players don't seem that gutted to lose the way she expected them to

THe losing margin would be in the top 10 in All Black history.

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

Hahaha. He's barely had any rugby, he's shown promise for the Canes at 10.

I blame the fluoro boots

@Jet Fakatava is the second best half back in New Zealand and in some games ,depending on the opposition, could be a starter. Has some X factor and a sense of when something is on.

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Who does everyone want to see start at 10 next week for Beau-Done Barrett?

I think it’s time to give Ruben some love. We don’t learn anything starting DMac.

I don't want Love exposed to starting. DMac to start, Reuben to get at least 30 minutes at either 10 or as a 15 double pivot. The boy needs to play, and 15 should be just as up for grabs as 10. WJ can move to wing and be effective

Worried about exposed to starting? Against Wales? Has conservative Razor infiltrated your account?

Hahaha. He's barely had any rugby, he's shown promise for the Canes at 10.

You would hope that the Board will be asking him for an explanation as to why Love was not given more game time. It's ridiculous not to build depth in a position where the three guys that you are pinning your hopes on are all in their 30s.

@DasBoot said in England Vs All Blacks:

BB, SB, Savea time to move on. Time to rebuild before it gets worse. Passengers like ALB and a few others need to finish up too.
Build a team around Roigard as Captain and take it from there and weed out the rest over the next year.
Parker, Proctor and possibly even Carter haven't stepped up unfortunately.
Front row and locks mostly ok.
Find a safe old school no.10 and look for flair elsewhere. Midfield is tough, no one standing out.

He's playing in Europe. We have some good loosies playing or about to play overseas as well...

All Blacks have regressed so badly since 2019. 2021 and 2022 were mediocre years.

2023 despite making the RWC final was masked by the fact we played a Ireland team in the quarter finals who were cooked and past their best.

Razor should be sacked along with his fraudulent yes men assistants.

Winning starts in the front office and hopefully Kirk and co hire the right person this time and not a useless fluffy bunny like Mark Robinson.

All Blacks nowadays are more worried about corporate stuff than actually winning rugby games.

On the performance, Beauden should pull the pin, disaster class with the kicking was totally outplayed by Ford. Scott Barrett should be moved on as captain and hopefully one of Hotham, Pledger or Fakatava step up next year so we don't see Ratima on the bench.

I'd make Codie Taylor the captain with Roigard as the vice captain.

DMac 10 with Ruben Love as the impact sub covering 10 and 15. Lack of depth at 10 across NZ rugby is very concerning. Never seen 10 depth is limited as is it right now and need Reihana to go to a another level next year in Super Rugby along with Jacomb and Millar.