@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Snowy said in England Vs All Blacks:

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

That's not even fair on the ref, let alone the players and paying fans.

I stopped paying to go to rugby matches because of the card lottery about 15 years ago. Used to go to matches all over the world but just had enough of the inequality of contest with uneven numbers on the field. It changes the whole flow of a match. Watching on TV I can just turn it off when the card inevitably comes out. Sad, but life is like that. I'll probably be back next year, but I don't think rugby does anything for me anymore, except piss me off. I really just watch to see the result rather than actually enjoying it.

Really pleased the cricket is starting.

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:

It didn’t ruin the game is my point. Don’t do it. Sometimes the ref will ping you. (Same goes for Earl).

Could not disagree more. Cards have been ruining games for years now and I am sick of it.

Yep.

Having said all that, well done England, you play the cards that you're dealt. I just think that we need better croupiers if they want me to return to their casino. The odds of winning by seeing an equal number of players contest (even if my team loses) aren't good enough for me to invest in tickets at the moment,

It's like being in an abusive relationship. I keep going back thinking surely it won't happen again, but then it does, again and again and again. Spectacle after spectacle ruined by cards and nothing ever changes.

One theory I have is there are quite number of "fans" that actually love the controversy and online outrage that cards generate. It would also generate lots of clicks on media articles etc, so in a way the more controversial a game is, the more money that gets made out of it.

I also suspect that NZ and SA fans are the most vocal about it because we have been on the end of so many absolute howlers. We need far more cards like the Irish got against us for those up North to realise it is destroying the game.

I'd be more likely to buy a ticket to watch the Kiwis right now. I want to be entertained

Rugby does hate itself. The TMO intervention is ridiculous.

The two that I hated the most went in our favour. England had a penalty that got reversed for a minuscule knock on.
The try that was taken off them was dubious enough, but for them then to be penalised for a not clear cut offside at the lineout? That penalty could be called at every single lineout.

Just fuck off TMO. Rugby has got this very very wrong.

@mariner4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rugby has got this very very wrong.

what shits me is the teams seem to looking for reasons to send people from the field. There is zero benefit of the doubt, figure it out afterwards. And the inconsistency from week to week, and within a game is astonishing.

Professionals? More like paid amateurs.

the all Blacks were tactically inept ,

@ploughboy said in England Vs All Blacks:

the all Blacks were tactically inept ,

again.

@Jet Horrific.

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

Watching the post match. I always found Goldie to be an AB fan bois, but both he and Mils are increasingly critical of this team

I've always seen Wilson as the only one prepared to criticise the ABs.

Once Cam Roigard went off our kicking game was appalling. Without him, our kicking game is comfortably the worst of all the Tier One teams.

We must play players who can kick astutely and accurately at 9. We need to find better tactical kickers at 10. Our midfield needs to be coached how to kick.

Well, that was all pretty embarrassing. An average England side whose lineout basically completely self-destructed - handing us a shitload of good possession - and they still beat us very soundly.
Robertson ditching McKenzie for Barrett last year, and more importantly persisting with him in the face of continual unacceptable performance of the basics, is the single worst AB selectorial decision I've ever seen. If he were 21 and full of potential I would struggle with it; in his mid 30s and having been in decline for several years it is actually absurd.

@Kruse said in England Vs All Blacks:

... is Pollock an absolute cock?

Well, there is certainly some assonance...

@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:

Well he is a Saffa, what are you gonna do?

get decent mates?

@Frank said in England Vs All Blacks:

Utterly bored of this dumb, badly coached side run by an insular group of insecure middle aged men who are scared to drop veterans, scared to try new things, and too stubborn to change their ways. Total bullshit. Tour is worst possible result. Razor stays and fuck all changes.

So you're recommending some DEI action then?

@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:

Well he is a Saffa, what are you gonna do?

get decent mates?

I like to have a broad church of mates, the boerewors he cooks up when I stay with him balances things out somewhat.

@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:

I like to have a broad church of mates, the boerewors he cooks up when I stay with him balances things out somewhat.

Ah I see, you have strong nutritional principles...

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

Once Cam Roigard went off our kicking game was appalling. Without him, our kicking game is comfortably the worst of all the Tier One teams.

We must play players who can kick astutely and accurately at 9. We need to find better tactical kickers at 10. Our midfield needs to be coached how to kick.

Roigard's first half performance probably stopped England scoring 50 points against us. That is not far from the truth.

@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

Once Cam Roigard went off our kicking game was appalling. Without him, our kicking game is comfortably the worst of all the Tier One teams.

We must play players who can kick astutely and accurately at 9. We need to find better tactical kickers at 10. Our midfield needs to be coached how to kick.

Roigard's first half performance probably stopped England scoring 50 points against us. That is not far from the truth.

England's shit lineout is the only thing that stopped that.

I've heard that Henry Pollock and co. go without caffeine all week, then chew strong caffeine gum on the bench before coming on.

Giving how fizzing with energy they were yesterday, I wonder if that isn't a trick we should copy?

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

I've heard that Henry Pollock and co. go without caffeine all week, then chew strong caffeine gum on the bench before coming on.

Giving how fizzing with energy they were yesterday, I wonder if that isn't a trick we should copy?

Nothing new, George Gregan did so often, he bought a cafe or two!

I thought the Dingwall try was actually quite symbolic for some of the deeper-lying issues within this team. It shows that the players don’t trust each other and that the opposition is generally smarter than them.

It is honestly an embarrassingly easy score for England: Mitchell throws the long pass to Lawrence, taking out both Taylor and Lakai from the defensive picture. It leaves England and the ABs with a two-on-two: Lawrence and Dingwall against Carter and Tupaea.

There is really no reason for Tupaea to bite in here, unless he doesn’t trust Carter to make the tackle on Lawrence. And that takes us all the way back to the try in the first half, where Carter gets flattened by the English centre. Tupaea gets a flashback, wants to put in a double shot, and then it’s just easy hands at the line for Lawrence. Proctor is far back because he’s covering the English attackers hidden in the boot; he’s trusting his teammates to execute the defensive 2-on-2.

It's smart from England but it is painfully naïve from an AB perspective. Big, individual errors, like Leroy Carter’s in the first half, are a mental challenge for a team. If you’re a good side, you immediately put it behind you and start again. If you’re mentally fragile, it becomes like a domino-effect, influencing your every move and decision from that moment onwards.

After the England Test, I think it’s pretty clear what kind of team these ABs are.

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

I've heard that Henry Pollock and co. go without caffeine all week, then chew strong caffeine gum on the bench before coming on.

Giving how fizzing with energy they were yesterday, I wonder if that isn't a trick we should copy?

Pollock has a punchable face, I really fear hes going to become this generations Matt Dawson for me.