@SammyC said in England v All Blacks:
Colin meads used to make a point of taking beers into the opposition sheds after the game
yeah but what did he know about being a hard fluffybunny
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there are few things i hate more than the "this is why rugby is the greatest game of all" wankery that on-line rugby fans absolutely loooove to indulge in when ever any rugby player acts even remotely like a normal human being.
but holy shit, the very foundation of the game is beat the piss out of each other for 80 minutes, shake hands and get a beer. If we could do it when rucking was allowed and punches got warnings, then we should absolutely do it in the modern day "no one can get hurt" era.
Are we looking for things to whinge about? So there is a post of Ardie sweeping the floor, or Poms dancing etc.
FFS everyone just surely does what suits them and I can't really see why it getting a few panties all twisted.
If you want to have a talk with opposition after game, great, if you don't also great.
I will give example, when I first went to Aussie and got talked into coaching, at the first preseason game the players all lined up and shook hands before the game! After the game ,I asked what the story was, and was told that's what they do over there. I quietly explained that no f***en team I coached would shake hands before the game, and I expected every player to shake hands and hopefully have a beer after the game, with the survivors , they would remember it!.
I wasn't even happy with players talking to opposition before game if it came to that.
I know probably showing age etc, but f*** it, standards fellas!
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
Are we looking for things to whinge about? So there is a post of Ardie sweeping the floor, or Poms dancing etc.
FFS everyone just surely does what suits them and I can't really see why it getting a few panties all twisted.
If you want to have a talk with opposition after game, great, if you don't also great.
I will give example, when I first went to Aussie and got talked into coaching, at the first preseason game the players all lined up and shook hands before the game! After the game ,I asked what the story was, and was told that's what they do over there. I quietly explained that no f***en team I coached would shake hands before the game, and I expected every player to shake hands and hopefully have a beer after the game, with the survivors , they would remember it!.
I wasn't even happy with players talking to opposition before game if it came to that.I know probably showing age etc, but f*** it, standards fellas!
The first standard I judge loose forwards by is ruck involvement.
In of itself the SM post is fine, but taking in the wider perspective the picture tells a different story.
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
the players all lined up and shook hands before the game
that took a bit of getting used to
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
the players all lined up and shook hands before the game
that took a bit of getting used to
As I said, my team stopped it from that day on, and they never did it again that I was aware of in years I was at club (about 20). as did the 'B's and colts although a ref once insisted the colts did shake hands before game once that I knew of.
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.
So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.
There isn't anything on his personal insta and facebook about him sweeping sheds or a photo of him by the goal posts. It sounds like what other people have captured.
The sweeping the sheds bit is in the video posted earlier by the NZR Social media people, Samisoni Taukei'aho is sweeping as well.
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.
Ok, well as I have only seen it on here, and it upsets some, so be it. Go crook at who posted it on here too if it upsets you. I understand what you saying etc, and not really knocking you mate.
I may just be fortunate that these don't overly worry me, just shrug my shoulders and figure I got bigger things to upset me.
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
the players all lined up and shook hands before the game
that took a bit of getting used to
I wouldnt trust where an aussie had put his fingers especially if you played with a Hopoate
@bayimports said in England v All Blacks:
I wouldnt trust where an aussie had put his fingers especially if you played with a Hopoate
John Hopoate, the aussie guy born in Nuku'alofa? The guy who represented Tonga in league? I think you've been given a bum steer, mate!
@nostrildamus said in England v All Blacks:
@bayimports said in England v All Blacks:
I wouldnt trust where an aussie had put his fingers especially if you played with a Hopoate
John Hopoate, the aussie guy born in Nuku'alofa? The guy who represented Tonga in league? I think you've been given a bum steer, mate!
Nice, I will say only guy you're likely to get pink eye from after a hand shake 
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
@SammyC said in England v All Blacks:
Colin meads used to make a point of taking beers into the opposition sheds after the game
yeah but what did he know about being a hard fluffybunny
Just misunderstood.
Ahead of the 1967 All Blacks visit to France, the New Zealand players had been cautioned about Benoit Dauga’s daunting physical presence, and in particular their coach Fred Allen had warned the second-row forward Colin “Pinetree” Meads to watch out. “We’d heard all tour about what a big tough rooster he was, and Fred really built him up to me,” said Meads. “I was told: ‘You’d better watch out, they say this Dauga can knock blokes out with one punch.’ ”
In a one-off Test match against France at the Stade Olympique de Colombes near Paris, Meads was deliberately kicked in the head during a melee on the ground, resulting in a nasty injury. After returning to the field stitched and bandaged, he sought immediate revenge on the culprit, whom he assumed to be Dauga, punching him in the face and breaking his nose.
Later, at the post-match dinner, when a puzzled Dauga approached Meads to ask why he had done such a thing, the New Zealander gave him both barrels, explaining that it was recompense for his vicious earlier behaviour – only to discover that Dauga was entirely innocent, and that the villain of the piece had in fact been the France No 8 Walter Spanghero.
@Jet said in England v All Blacks:
@MajorRage said in England v All Blacks:
@Jet said in England v All Blacks:
This is why we are where we are.
There is no edge.
I listened to a podcast recently where Conor Murray told an anecdote from his new book of how he tried to go into the Allblacks dressing room to get a jersey swap and Ma'a Nonu was stood outside eating.
He turns to Murray and says "where are you going?" "eh I was going in to swap a shirt" "you're not going in there mate".
Thats Henry Pollock. Englands youngest player, shithouse in chief, and Cortez Ratima is gurning with him for a photo after a rubbish performance himself.
I know im a dinosaur, but I preferred when our boys were aloof, unapproachable, hard nosed, miserable looking bastards.
You are giving Pollock an inch there. It's all cosy. "These Allblack lads are sound".
Imagine Austin Healy sat beside Tana Umaga in the dressing room...........
Good lord. What a complete load of wank.
Two young players swapped a jersey. A photo was taken of just after it, clearly with little planning.
Hate to tell you this, but if losing teams didn’t want to swap …. You could only do it when you drew.
You're misreading me.
You go and hand the jersey, shake the hand and walk away. Maybe do it in corridor.
It shouldnt be ceremonial. You shouldnt be smiling. You should be filthy. You avoid a photo if possible.
Ratima looks like someone who won a prize to be there.
All these little percentages of beta behaviour are compounding.
We used to be aresholes, sure, but we were winners.
I cannot believe you have doubled down!
I'm prepared to detract the last paragraph upon the misread.
@MajorPom said in England v All Blacks:
@Jet said in England v All Blacks:
@MajorRage said in England v All Blacks:
@Jet said in England v All Blacks:
This is why we are where we are.
There is no edge.
I listened to a podcast recently where Conor Murray told an anecdote from his new book of how he tried to go into the Allblacks dressing room to get a jersey swap and Ma'a Nonu was stood outside eating.
He turns to Murray and says "where are you going?" "eh I was going in to swap a shirt" "you're not going in there mate".
Thats Henry Pollock. Englands youngest player, shithouse in chief, and Cortez Ratima is gurning with him for a photo after a rubbish performance himself.
I know im a dinosaur, but I preferred when our boys were aloof, unapproachable, hard nosed, miserable looking bastards.
You are giving Pollock an inch there. It's all cosy. "These Allblack lads are sound".
Imagine Austin Healy sat beside Tana Umaga in the dressing room...........
Good lord. What a complete load of wank.
Two young players swapped a jersey. A photo was taken of just after it, clearly with little planning.
Hate to tell you this, but if losing teams didn’t want to swap …. You could only do it when you drew.
You're misreading me.
You go and hand the jersey, shake the hand and walk away. Maybe do it in corridor.
It shouldnt be ceremonial. You shouldnt be smiling. You should be filthy. You avoid a photo if possible.
Ratima looks like someone who won a prize to be there.
All these little percentages of beta behaviour are compounding.
We used to be aresholes, sure, but we were winners.
I cannot believe you have doubled down!
I'm prepared to detract the last paragraph upon the misread.
Hells teeth, players used to swap jerseys on the field! I saw Fitzy and co do itat tests I was at.
Geez you must of been pissed that Siya Kilosi making presentation to Ardie for his 100th test, and when ABs have done it with other teams?
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.
What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.
@pakman said in England v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
@SammyC said in England v All Blacks:
Colin meads used to make a point of taking beers into the opposition sheds after the game
yeah but what did he know about being a hard fluffybunny
Just misunderstood.
Ahead of the 1967 All Blacks visit to France, the New Zealand players had been cautioned about Benoit Dauga’s daunting physical presence, and in particular their coach Fred Allen had warned the second-row forward Colin “Pinetree” Meads to watch out. “We’d heard all tour about what a big tough rooster he was, and Fred really built him up to me,” said Meads. “I was told: ‘You’d better watch out, they say this Dauga can knock blokes out with one punch.’ ”
In a one-off Test match against France at the Stade Olympique de Colombes near Paris, Meads was deliberately kicked in the head during a melee on the ground, resulting in a nasty injury. After returning to the field stitched and bandaged, he sought immediate revenge on the culprit, whom he assumed to be Dauga, punching him in the face and breaking his nose.
Later, at the post-match dinner, when a puzzled Dauga approached Meads to ask why he had done such a thing, the New Zealander gave him both barrels, explaining that it was recompense for his vicious earlier behaviour – only to discover that Dauga was entirely innocent, and that the villain of the piece had in fact been the France No 8 Walter Spanghero.
Me and Mrs billeted some fellas tied up with a french rugby team when in Aus in 2003. One of the fellas played lock for France against ABs in '67. Was funny, the first thing almost he said to me when he knew I a kiwi, was that he marked Colin Meads in test !
Though limited English was interesting to hear his take on how tests were played in those days
Also just checked, fella's when everyone goes on about balance of back row etc, and you have to have a lineout option, Poms starting loosies were 6ft, 6ft 1in and 6ft 3in. Hardly big men and they seemed to go pretty well. Seemed to concentrate on disruting our ball rather than just winning it.
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
Dan, their lineout was dogshit
I know, they just seemed to concentrate n stuffing up our ball, or even stuff we won of theirs. With all our advantage how much ball did we win at back through our loosies? Bugger all only 1 I think. I not suggesting you don't have a good tall loosie, but it not be and end all,, the Poms lineout was shit, but they beat us up everywhere else. Height isn't everything to me, though it helps and need it in middle where you don't tend to get room to be lifted etc as much.
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
Dan, their lineout was dogshit
I know, they just seemed to concentrate n stuffing up our ball, or even stuff we won of theirs. With all our advantage how much ball did we win at back through our loosies? Bugger all only 1 I think. I not suggesting you don't have a good tall loosie, but it not be and end all,, the Poms lineout was shit, but they beat us up everywhere else. Height isn't everything to me, though it helps and need it in middle where you don't tend to get room to be lifted etc as much.
If the primary job of the loose forwards is to control the breakdown we are failing that miserably
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
Dan, their lineout was dogshit
I know, they just seemed to concentrate n stuffing up our ball, or even stuff we won of theirs. With all our advantage how much ball did we win at back through our loosies? Bugger all only 1 I think. I not suggesting you don't have a good tall loosie, but it not be and end all,, the Poms lineout was shit, but they beat us up everywhere else. Height isn't everything to me, though it helps and need it in middle where you don't tend to get room to be lifted etc as much.
We had 3 short loosies for the last quarter which didn't help us at all.
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
Dan, their lineout was dogshit
I know, they just seemed to concentrate n stuffing up our ball, or even stuff we won of theirs. With all our advantage how much ball did we win at back through our loosies? Bugger all only 1 I think. I not suggesting you don't have a good tall loosie, but it not be and end all,, the Poms lineout was shit, but they beat us up everywhere else. Height isn't everything to me, though it helps and need it in middle where you don't tend to get room to be lifted etc as much.
I’d have preferred Sititi to come on for Savea.
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.
Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
Yep well I met one who claimed he wasn't a farmer, but the bastard sounded awfully like he had an Aussie accent. And the prick didn't even know Colin Meads' home town(or town he had farm near)!
The other thing is I suspicious of anyone who says un-New Zealand , what I used to hear in Aussie all the time, it's so un_Australian, almost always when it was an Aussie who was doing wrong!!! I never even heard it before I went to Aus!
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
Yep well I met one who claimed he wasn't a farmer, but the bastard sounded awfully like he had an Aussie accent. And the prick didn't even know Colin Meads' home town(or town he had farm near)!
Jonah didn't even know who Colin Meads was before he met him. What a hopeless New Zealander.
@MN5 said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
Yep well I met one who claimed he wasn't a farmer, but the bastard sounded awfully like he had an Aussie accent. And the prick didn't even know Colin Meads' home town(or town he had farm near)!
Jonah didn't even know who Colin Meads was before he met him. What a hopeless New Zealander.
Was he though, he was never a farmer!!!!! F***en imposter I think!
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
Yep well I met one who claimed he wasn't a farmer, but the bastard sounded awfully like he had an Aussie accent. And the prick didn't even know Colin Meads' home town(or town he had farm near)!
Jonah didn't even know who Colin Meads was before he met him. What a hopeless New Zealander.
Was he though, he was never a farmer!!!!! F***en imposter I think!
Not sure how much Jonah knew about farming but he could certainly plow through defenders better than anyone before or since.
@MN5 said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
Yep well I met one who claimed he wasn't a farmer, but the bastard sounded awfully like he had an Aussie accent. And the prick didn't even know Colin Meads' home town(or town he had farm near)!
Jonah didn't even know who Colin Meads was before he met him. What a hopeless New Zealander.
Was he though, he was never a farmer!!!!! F***en imposter I think!
Not sure how much Jonah knew about farming but he could certainly plow through defenders better than anyone before or since.
Certainly caused some furrowed brows in opposing players and coaches
@nzzp said in England v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.What is this least NZ thing you ever heard of.
I think to pretend NZers are all quiet humble farming type people is perhaps a lot more cringeworthy.Are you serious bro? Well if you're right and there are NZers who aren't farmers, I've never fucken met 'em.
Yep well I met one who claimed he wasn't a farmer, but the bastard sounded awfully like he had an Aussie accent. And the prick didn't even know Colin Meads' home town(or town he had farm near)!
Jonah didn't even know who Colin Meads was before he met him. What a hopeless New Zealander.
Was he though, he was never a farmer!!!!! F***en imposter I think!
Not sure how much Jonah knew about farming but he could certainly plow through defenders better than anyone before or since.
Certainly caused some furrowed brows in opposing players and coaches
He rode roughshod over Mike Catt