@game_film said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate Fair point from an NZ style of play. Different across other countries.
For sure, but I don't want us to play like them. Both because running rugby is why I love the game, and because I think it is the key to our success.
@No-Quarter no doubt he’s a better player now skill wise. His play at fullback was up and down, not unlike Jordan. I like Jordie in the midfield even more so when his brother is playing 10.
In my view the best fullback we’ve had in the last 10 years has been Beaudie.
@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:
In my view the best fullback we’ve had in the last 10 years has been Beaudie.
Which version of Beaudie? 2025 Beaudie?
@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
This All Blacks team is screaming for some X-Factor on the wing.
For me that's Will Jordan. He really doesn't have the skills to be a Test 15.
Who does? I’m not convinced by Love (I think he is a 10). Who are the alternatives? NZ are crying out for the new Israel Dagg to make his appearance.
And here's the other thing, Jordie is still in the team, and is an even better player than he was back then, and has the skillset to completely diffuse opposition bombs which are a key weakness for us right now. Jordie is so much better at 15 than Jordan it's not even funny.
They've had Jordie in the backfield fielding bombs this year and he's dropped his fair share.
@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.
@No-Quarter the Saffas put alot of numbers in just as disruptors.
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
This All Blacks team is screaming for some X-Factor on the wing.
For me that's Will Jordan. He really doesn't have the skills to be a Test 15.
Who does? I’m not convinced by Love (I think he is a 10). Who are the alternatives? NZ are crying out for the new Israel Dagg to make his appearance.
And here's the other thing, Jordie is still in the team, and is an even better player than he was back then, and has the skillset to completely diffuse opposition bombs which are a key weakness for us right now. Jordie is so much better at 15 than Jordan it's not even funny.
They've had Jordie in the backfield fielding bombs this year and he's dropped his fair share.
I watch most teams play, and yet to see a player take all high balls, whether chasing or receiving.
Also with noone beinge able to screen now, it makes it even harder.
@voodoo said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
Wondering based on training coverage if Lord will get start with Farbian as super sub.
While I'm at it, Lord Farbian is surely a Blackadder character.
Nah, he was the short guy in Shrek
Well they had Blackadder's lord Percy in Shrek.
@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.
It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.
Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year! 
@Chris-B that's not how I do things on the Fern, I base my analysis on vibes and feelings, and if someone corrects me with data I demand they be BANNED!
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.
It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.
Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year!
No need, 3 groups.
Clarke is best, Jordie a close 2nd.
Then McKenzie, then Beauden, then Jordan.
Then Ioane, Carter and Reece.
Our main problem though is that the other teams kicks are far more contestable than ours, and their attacking chase and defence of are better organised.
@Victor-Meldrew I could get in behind that... but not sure Love is the superstar fullback to offset it.
@reprobate I jotted down the kick results for Boks 1.
They were quite a lot different to that, but one game has very little statistical value.
@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:
Any rumours for the team this week?
Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard
@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:
Any rumours for the team this week?
Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard
Too scared of a lineout against Emma.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:
Any rumours for the team this week?
Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard
Too scared of a lineout against Emma.
@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:
Any rumours for the team this week?
Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard
Too scared of a lineout against Emma.
It's good that you read the thread before posting.
