@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:

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What happened to Tele'a?

That's the 'X Factor' you're missing. His finish for his second try was easily as impressive as DMac's last weekend. He beat three defenders who were in position to tackle him not lunging for him.

And how easy was Jordan's untouched run-in when BB attacks the line keeping the defence guessing?

He signed for a japenese club so they decided not to select him.

Unfortunately BB now either kicks poorly or shovels it along, so if he gets the ball then defence know just to rush up on 12

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.

Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.

…..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB

True, gotta love the amount of attacking plays Rieko has been a feature in Vs ALB. What I'd give.

Absolutely golden opportunity for England to kick us in the nuts. Let's see if they take it.

@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

This seems to chime with your analysis:

Check out Penaud's kick chase!

Some interesting points in there. I don’t disagree with their take that Penaud is a somewhat lazy chaser but I do disagree with their claim that Le Garrec’s box-kicking was on point. Multiple of his box kicks were quite deep inside the Bok 22; not even Kolbe would’ve gotten there in time. Bielle-Biarrey, who puts in a lot more effort, wasn’t able to reach multiple Le Garrec kicks either.

Also, their argument that Penaud’s lazy chase in the 2nd half – “3 steps worth of effort changed the game” – is not very convincing, as I felt that South Africa pretty much battered the French throughout that game. If it weren’t for that red card, I think you’re looking at a Wellington-type 2nd half for France.

Their point about a changed French kicking game, and how it compounded certain errors in areas like defensive kick receipt, is well made though.

The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.

England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.

Storm Claudia is coming. It she strong enough to blow Aura away?

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.

Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.

…..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB

True, gotta love the amount of attacking plays Rieko has been a feature in Vs ALB. What I'd give.

When our starting wingers collide catching a high ball ( having practiced too much midweek ) and go off injured in the first minute and ALB plays the entire test on the wing you’ll be screaming for some Reeks

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

pick us in the nuts

They haven't selected any saffas, but I will now be glued to the game.

England v New Zealand
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
Could be a lottery with this group running the cutter

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.

England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.

When was that?

@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:

@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!

I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.

Some of his economics is excruciatingly misguided. But he certainly has found an audience for his performances.

@pakman A few years ago, but the Māori v Moana Pasifika in Hamilton. Both are much more experienced now.

They have quite classic balance as a combo.

@Steven-Harris said in England Vs All Blacks:

England v New Zealand
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
Could be a lottery with this group running the cutter

I guess at least it's not an even more incompetent equality hire?

@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:

@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!

I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.

A man from 'Atlantis'?

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.

ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour

@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.

ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour

Borthwick is a NZ national treasure at the moment.

@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:

Going to be interesting,

Dunno but I do suspect this is a scalp England really want and will be primed , and my concerns are not so much with what they are going to bring , but more what we bring in return.

We got away with patchy performances against Ireland Australia and Scotland Fiji where we were good in bursts and poor at other times , I suspect we will need something closer to an 80 minute performance this week.

We're the same mate.

If the All Blacks win this one, this won't be thanks to their starting XV but rather to some of their players on the bench (Williams, Sami T, Tosi, Sititi, DMac).What I fear is the discipline, esp. ALB's.

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.

England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.

Our forwards are way stronger than 3 years ago, a much tougher proposition and the scrum is one of the strongest for years.

Bring it on