But the scoreline hides some shit aye?

A damning stat. At the 75 minute mark our missed tackle percentage was higher than theirs despite barely having to make any. We gave up 4 tries with only 50 tackles made, and all were system related. Still no linespeed. Still no momentum stopping hits. We're passive and easy to get around.

We had all thr ball, made thousands of metres, and it took two fucking yellow cards to open them up. Heaps of endeavour, but we struggled to do much with it. Lethal in the red zone I'll give them that.

To me thats "process" not personnel.

It'll get glissed, but how hard we found it to put thrm away until the cards despite all the ball, all the penalties and every advantage is a trifle concerning.

@kidcalder said in Wales v All Blacks:

@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:

@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:

@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:

McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.

Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...

Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.

Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.

I think he's worth perservering with for now tbh. I noticed some of his work around the ruck today. Probably needs to work on his work with ball in hand next season. We've seen in at SR in the wider channels, haven't seen it just yet at Test level.

Yeah at super he did damage there so have to think he is playing under instructions to stay tight and let Ardie have the wide role...

And that's the thing, I think he has to work on his carrying in close. We know he'll be playing close to the ruck so he needs to improve in that area. He could be the answer though. Maybe.

@tubbyj said in Wales v All Blacks:

Kirifi, Christie, ALB and Reece are not good enough for test rugby and their selections on this tour were poor for a team that is meant to be building depth towards the next RWC.

Then you have others like Ardie and BB who are being persisted with to the detriment of exploring other options and lineups

@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:

@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:

@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:

McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.

Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...

Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.

Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.

I think he's worth perservering with for now tbh. I noticed some of his work around the ruck today. Probably needs to work on his work with ball in hand next season. We've seen in at SR in the wider channels, haven't seen it just yet at Test level.

Hes basically another Reuben Thorne. In the context of the coaches selecting a 7 who likes to carry and pilfer hes they do need someone focused on hitting rucks.

@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:

But the scoreline hides some shit aye?

A damning stat. At the 75 minute mark our missed tackle percentage was higher than theirs despite barely having to make any. We gave up 4 tries with only 50 tackles made, and all were system related. Still no linespeed. Still no momentum stopping hits. We're passive and easy to get around.

We had all thr ball, made thousands of metres, and it took two fucking yellow cards to open them up. Heaps of endeavour, but we struggled to do much with it. Lethal in the red zone I'll give them that.

To me thats "process" not personnel.

It'll get glissed, but how hard we found it to put thrm away until the cards despite all the ball, all the penalties and every advantage is a trifle concerning.

Ratimas contestables were poor. You have to wonder about this tactic when we are poor under the highball and poor defensively.

The ball was moving a bit faster when Christie came on but I felt the point of attack wasn't narrow enough even when the first receiver was taking into contact. Very little in the way of pick and goes.

We havent used the maul enough this year considering how dominant our lineout was been most of the time.

Not doing these things are all of course part of their game plan and attack pattern.

@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:

@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:

@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:

@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:

McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.

Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...

Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.

Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.

I think he's worth perservering with for now tbh. I noticed some of his work around the ruck today. Probably needs to work on his work with ball in hand next season. We've seen in at SR in the wider channels, haven't seen it just yet at Test level.

Hes basically another Reuben Thorne. In the context of the coaches selecting a 7 who likes to carry and pilfer hes they do need someone focused on hitting rucks.

Yeah, and that's why they loved Frizzell so much. I described Frizzell a few times as like a Tongan version of Reuben Thorne and that's what they're trying to replicate with Parker, who is seen obviousily as the closest fit for it.

So yes, if Reuben Thorne was around in today's era, he will have played a lot of tests in the 6 jersey.

Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.

@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:

Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.

Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.

@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:

@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:

Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.

Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.

Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.

@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:

@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:

@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:

Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.

Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.

Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.

He does, you're right, but today, every time Will Jordan moved, he just found new ways to talk him up.

@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:

I would have really liked to have seen Love get a run at 10.

Love seemed to be used at first receiver for a little bit before being pulled.

@sparky Doesnt work here in Aruba. Shame to miss a big win like this and the highlights

Rewatching. Ratima's early kicks shouldn't be called contestable if they are too inaccurate to be contested... CCs try on the back of a series of pick n gos that got the Welsh backpedaling. Simples. Right from the start DMac's zippier pass clearly evident. The minute he tries a dinky pass in close quarters we spill it.

Wales first try on the back of a poor kick reception. Quelle surprise

Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season

Tosi makes a try saving penalty at 20 minutes, but the ease with which Wales are gaining ground is worrying

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season

He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?

@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season

He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?

We are offered a penalty kick but choose to run it, turn it over, and come up empty. The give away a free kick. I'd like us to get back into the habit of taking kicks early to create scoreboard pressure

Reuben Love scores after Wallace sets the stage. Lovely bit of footwork and strolls over. Could have done with a bit more of that this year. I wonder how he, CC and WJ would have gone vs (insert team here)

Love misses a high ball but WJ cleans up. A minute or two later Wales have coasted through our defence to score in the corner

Davidson seems to be doing a solid job so far. Clear communication, the game is flowing

Massive effort by Williams to score a try against 3 or 4 defenders. Good physical play

Love gets charged down, we lose another contestable (did Wales have players blocking our player from making a play on the ball?) and the Welsh backs outflank us again to score in the corner. Can we stop anyone right now?

For a couple of minutes we get very narrow, according to Marshall it's 13 phases and CC storms over for the score. That's more like it. Not given after Kirifi knocks it on in the ruck. The way we set that up was very good though, I like the direct play. If the Welsh player was responsible for the knock on, would that have been a YC last weekend? Not that I want him to get a YC, but Cody got pinged for something similar

Davidson makes a reasonable decision to deny WJ a try at 48 mins. I thought her process was very logical. She's having a good game, I hope her AR takes note!

Very nice passage of play from the forwards at 51 mins, highlighted by a rampaging run from Samsoni and a massive clean from Parker, DMac with the cross kick (the right area of the field to try one) and Rieko scores in the corner.

Where has this narrow forward dominated play been all season?

@African-Monkey he's never been a big carrier (in terms of metres) despite his size, he usually tackles and hits rucks, but like other players, Razor seems to have how he wants players to play, seemingly away from thier natural strengths.

@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:

I thought the ref was fine

We've certainly had worse.

I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so am interested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.

She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.

She'll do plenty more tests.

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:

I thought the ref was fine

We've certainly had worse.

I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.

She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.

She'll do plenty more tests.

I thought WJ was held up

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:

I thought the ref was fine

We've certainly had worse.

I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.

She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.

She'll do plenty more tests.

I thought WJ was held up

Same, and I felt like she realised she was wrong in awarding it in the first place.

@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season

He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?

Especially with a dominant line out more than capable of stealing opposition ball...

@Old-Alleynians said in Wales v All Blacks:

@Grooter
I have also heard that Love had a training ground disagreement with Hansen.

Just on Love's early subbing. Piney on ZB reporting he rolled an ankle.

Wecan all wind the indignation down just a little. Not to off, but down a bit.

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:

I thought the ref was fine

We've certainly had worse.

I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.

She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.

She'll do plenty more tests.

I thought WJ was held up

Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.

@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season

He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?

Helps that some of the NH stadiums don't meet World Rugby's minimum required width.

E.g. Stade de France width is 67.60m, Allianz Stadium in Italy is 65m (believe Principality Stadium is 68m)

All our main stadiums in NZ are at the max of 70m so a lot of our kicks look bigger than normal up there.

@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:

Marshall has been picked on enough

Still room in that barrel

The Reece try took advantage of Wales being a man down. But the continuity close in from the ABs forwards set the platform.

The following exit was most unusual. A couple of hit ups and Christie feeds DMac. Might not have hit it perfectly but it was refreshing to see our 10 kicking for touch instead of our 9 kicking another incontestable contestable

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:

I thought the ref was fine

We've certainly had worse.

I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.

She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.

She'll do plenty more tests.

I thought WJ was held up

Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.

Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway

@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:

@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:

@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:

I thought the ref was fine

We've certainly had worse.

I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.

She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.

She'll do plenty more tests.

I thought WJ was held up

Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.

Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway

I thought she made a very reasonable decision

Plumtree off for YC hit on WJ. Those in passes aren't very good for us, every one resulted in our carrier getting smashed.

Our forwards have carried up the guts most of the game, as have the midfield. And DMac has played a decent controlling hand from 10. It sets up another try for Reece. I know it's only Wales. But the game plan felt so much better suited to our players. And I wonder why it's taken this long to play this way with this personnel. Razor and his coaches have really dug themselves this hole trying to be far too cute

No disrespect to Wales, they battled hard and scored four good tries, but they were weakest team we have played all year and that was our easiest win for some time. It felt like a bit of a training run at times.