@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:

@Jet said in Bokke vs Wales:

Sad day for Rugby?

Impressive day for Rugby?

A reality check.

Wales are way, way off. Only terrible All Blacks defence allowed them to paper over the massive cracks last week.

The Springboks are one of the very best teams of all time.

Wales are missing a few of their 1st XV. The have no depth. This week’s team would struggle to beat Tonga! They are a step down from last week, which made them cannon fodder for the Boks.

WRU should hang their heads in shame for arranging this fixture outside the official window. Heads need to roll.

@Mr-Fish Nah, I want hard men with a bit of biff who intimidate the opposition. But going after the opponent's eyes, ears or their privates are a no no.

@stodders The bigger problem is not that they did, it’s that they could.

@stodders said in Bokke vs Wales:

@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:

@Jet said in Bokke vs Wales:

Sad day for Rugby?

Impressive day for Rugby?

A reality check.

Wales are way, way off. Only terrible All Blacks defence allowed them to paper over the massive cracks last week.

The Springboks are one of the very best teams of all time.

Wales are missing a few of their 1st XV. The have no depth. This week’s team would struggle to beat Tonga! They are a step down from last week, which made them cannon fodder for the Boks.

WRU should hang their heads in shame for arranging this fixture outside the official window. Heads need to roll.

It just seems like a massively pointless exercise.

An eye gouge like that needs to be answered next time you see him. He needs to pay a physical price. And I don’t care if you get flattened in return, you’ve got to draw a line in the sand and show what you’re willing to accept. Next URC game you all kick off. Get the game abandoned I don’t care.

Canan Moodie with some impressive stats. 4 line breaks (top for match), carried for 59 metres (top for match)

@game_film said in Bokke vs Wales:

An eye gouge like that needs to be answered next time you see him. He needs to pay a physical price. And I don’t care if you get flattened in return, you’ve got to draw a line in the sand and show what you’re willing to accept. Next URC game you all kick off. Get the game abandoned I don’t care.

Shouldn't get the opportunity.

That sort of shit from Etzebeth needs to be stamped on hard. Should be a year's ban at least.

@W32 Bullshit.

@Jet said in Bokke vs Wales:

@stodders said in Bokke vs Wales:

@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:

@Jet said in Bokke vs Wales:

Sad day for Rugby?

Impressive day for Rugby?

A reality check.

Wales are way, way off. Only terrible All Blacks defence allowed them to paper over the massive cracks last week.

The Springboks are one of the very best teams of all time.

Wales are missing a few of their 1st XV. The have no depth. This week’s team would struggle to beat Tonga! They are a step down from last week, which made them cannon fodder for the Boks.

WRU should hang their heads in shame for arranging this fixture outside the official window. Heads need to roll.

It just seems like a massively pointless exercise.

Just indicative of how out of touch the WRU are, they knew full well what could happen but they didn't care. They could've arranged a game during the first week of November (when England played Australia and Ireland played NZ) against a lower ranked side but would rather make an extra few ££ by playing SA but throwing your players under the bus.
All four Welsh pro clubs are also playing this weekend, so the union has fucked them over too (again)

Players have been arrested in the UK for on-field assaults and causing deliberate injury to their opponents.

Hard to know when people are taking the piss or being serious at times but

Eben is a c*nt and deserves a lengthy ban

Anyone who votes Eben in the Fern TOTY is a c*nt

No ambiguity there

@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:

Hard to know when people are taking the piss or being serious at times but

Eben is a c*nt and deserves a lengthy ban

Anyone who votes Eben in the Fern TOTY is a c*nt

No ambiguity there

Bizarre behaviour coming onto the field with his team comfortably in control, being a 140 cap veteran and doing that ?

I might visit the Eben Facebook page and see how the rabid SA fans view the situation.

A long ban could end his career.

@MN5 said in Bokke vs Wales:

@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:

Hard to know when people are taking the piss or being serious at times but

Eben is a c*nt and deserves a lengthy ban

Anyone who votes Eben in the Fern TOTY is a c*nt

No ambiguity there

A long ban could end his career.

Here's hoping. Given the quantity of cards they have been getting lately for dangerous play, I think there's a chance they make an example of him.

@MN5

There are loads of those fluffybunnies on Twitter. The ones I follow seem pretty decent - passionate as fuck but loath shithousery as much as we do.

Etzebeth was already steadily going down the lock pecking order.
Probably had something to prove.
Turns out Bruno has major small dick energy.

@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:

Hard to know when people are taking the piss or being serious at times but

Eben is a c*nt and deserves a lengthy ban

Anyone who votes Eben in the Fern TOTY is a c*nt

No ambiguity there

I like to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but after watching it again he deserves the red. Read somewhere that it was retaliation for it being done to him that lead to the fracas, but that is not the way to respond.
Yep, ban him. No place for that in the game.

@MN5 plenty of folk on SM pointing out other stuff (where a welsh hand was on his face but nowhere near the eye) as a way to try and justify it, and then the trolls with a pic of 4 RWCs...social media is a cesspit, but can be amusing.

What a brain explosion, that should be minimum of 12 weeks.

Imagine winning by 70+ points against a (previously) top tier nation and all anyone is talking about his what a fluffybunny your hero is.

"Welsh player's eye socket and officials conspire for yet another Bok red card" - Die Burger, probably....

@pooler-fan said in Bokke vs Wales:

@Jet said in Bokke vs Wales:

@stodders said in Bokke vs Wales:

@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:

@Jet said in Bokke vs Wales:

Sad day for Rugby?

Impressive day for Rugby?

A reality check.

Wales are way, way off. Only terrible All Blacks defence allowed them to paper over the massive cracks last week.

The Springboks are one of the very best teams of all time.

Wales are missing a few of their 1st XV. The have no depth. This week’s team would struggle to beat Tonga! They are a step down from last week, which made them cannon fodder for the Boks.

WRU should hang their heads in shame for arranging this fixture outside the official window. Heads need to roll.

It just seems like a massively pointless exercise.

Just indicative of how out of touch the WRU are, they knew full well what could happen but they didn't care. They could've arranged a game during the first week of November (when England played Australia and Ireland played NZ) against a lower ranked side but would rather make an extra few ££ by playing SA but throwing your players under the bus.
All four Welsh pro clubs are also playing this weekend, so the union has fucked them over too (again)

My Welsh friend was apoplectic on FB this morning with a rant expressing this and many other points about the WRU, so I assumed it was a bad result, but jesus, ouch.

Eben should be banned from all rugby for enough time to make it not worth giving him a contract.

@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:

@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:

Hard to know when people are taking the piss or being serious at times but

Eben is a c*nt and deserves a lengthy ban

Anyone who votes Eben in the Fern TOTY is a c*nt

No ambiguity there

I like to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but after watching it again he deserves the red. Read somewhere that it was retaliation for it being done to him that lead to the fracas, but that is not the way to respond.
Yep, ban him. No place for that in the game.

I reckon, a punch would have sufficed surely ?

@MN5 scoreboard should have been pain enough.

@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:

@MN5 scoreboard should have been pain enough.

Maybe the Welsh guy asked him to do it so he wouldn't have to look at it.

@sparky

Yes.
You sign away a lot of your rights when you run onto a rugby field, but not all of them.
The civil authorities can always step in if they are not satisfied with the self-regulation.
In this particular case, i'd say the deciding factor would be if he had a permanent eye injury, and what action the rugby authorities took.

@MN5 said in Bokke vs Wales:

@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:

@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:

Hard to know when people are taking the piss or being serious at times but

Eben is a c*nt and deserves a lengthy ban

Anyone who votes Eben in the Fern TOTY is a c*nt

No ambiguity there

I like to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but after watching it again he deserves the red. Read somewhere that it was retaliation for it being done to him that lead to the fracas, but that is not the way to respond.
Yep, ban him. No place for that in the game.

I reckon, a punch would have sufficed surely ?

Eben has always been prone to over the top reaction. Too bad, that he didn’t just punch the guy out. Dumb dumb dumb. The result will probably be that the instigator will get away scott free.
Tarnishes a great autumn season for the boks and makes a lot of people think the worst of the team. Sadly.people love to pile on, the team doesn’t deserve that.

I personally would be happy if Esteben was finished as a rugby player after this. Just stupidity of highest order, and I see nothing to gained from seeing him on rugby field again.

@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:

I personally would be happy if Esteben was finished as a rugby player after this. Just stupidity of highest order, and I see nothing to gained from seeing him on rugby field again.

Worth noting that in .. something like 140 tests he has never had a red card. Not condoning his actions today, but he is not a dirty player. A moment of madness.

Intentional Contact with Eye(s) (7)

Low-end:
12 weeks/matches

Mid-range:
18 weeks/matches

Top-end:
24+ weeks/matches

Max:
208 weeks/matches

So where does this fit? Mid range?

@Duluth said in Bokke vs Wales:

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Intentional Contact with Eye(s) (7)

Low-end:
12 weeks/matches

Mid-range:
18 weeks/matches

Top-end:
24+ weeks/matches

Max:
208 weeks/matches

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So where does this fit? Mid range?

I would inclined to go low end. The other player was not injured and watching the video he (Etsebeth) appears to move his thumb away after he realizes it’s in his eye.

@Duluth Definitely much worse than the one Chris Aston was given a ten week ban for 2016.

I would have thought it will be a ban of 3-6 months at least.

Planet Rugby seems to think it will be a six week ban which would be a very light slap across the wrist for a reckless act with obvious aggressive intent in a game that was no longer a meaningful contest.

"Etzebeth is likely to get a full migration in his sanction, meaning that unless the disciplinary panel deems the entry point for his ban to be a top-end and adds additional weeks on the guideline 12, at most a six-match ban is heading his way."

Only mitigations for me are that it is Etzebeth's first red card and the Springboks have apologised unreservedly for the incident.

Obviously the whole evidence will be presented at the hearing but I'd have thought a 16-18 week ban is fair.

This match was part of a two match deal with SA which was brokered pre-Covid

Yes, it was a a beating.

Yes, we’re really poor at the moment.

But like all things sport there’s a lot of recency bias in the aftermath of this drubbing.

A far better Welsh team than the one which played yesterday had an even bigger hiding in Pretoria in 1998

June 1999 - almost exact one year to the day - Wales recorded their first ever win over SA

Perhaps lightning will strike twice

And Rassie played in both matches

I'm no lawyer, but the 'justification' of retaliating to an earlier offense isn't the smartest.

That would make the retaliation premeditated and deliberate.

And worthy of greater censure.