@Bones said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

@Jet said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Razor needs to take a long hard look at himself that he let his England team give the Allblacks such a towelling.

If only someone had pointed out that razor was just lucky his opposition were coached by Borthwick in his first series in charge.

And we went fucking life and death with them. Barely beat them.

And were a George ford missed pen (off the post) and drop goal away from losing the year before in Twickers.

The warning signs regarding Razor were there from day 1.

@Tim said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

@Bones said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Anyway, long live Borthwick.

When does he get the sack?

Hopefully he keeps getting a saviour result every so often.

England no 8 winning the world cup after that scrum pen is a great look right now.

@kidcalder said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Italy 12 Menoncello is a big strong fast handful

He's world class, as is Garbisi and Negri. The IRF have really got their act together with player development.

@kidcalder said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Italy 12 Menoncello is a big strong fast handful

He's class. Very similar to Damien De Allende. Seems to be able to do it all. Should dominate that position for the next 10 or so years.

Well, I hate to have my forebodings come true and it really hurts to see us lose playing so poorly. It does seem to me that Borthwick has lost the dressing room. Where is the energy? The enthusiasm? The willingness to put your self on the line for your team? Sadly missing all over the field and that has to be down to management. You don't suddenly get a whole team of very good players becoming dogshit all at the same time. We need a new coaching team. Maybe keep Blackett but that would be about it.

Fantastic and well deserved result for Italy who are going for their best 6N ever and are looking good for 3 wins out of five. Wales will of course have something to say about that though.

England - you were fucking awful and stank the place down.

Forza Italia!

They've improved massively in the last couple of years.

Well I was out by 2 points. I’m almost relieved, let’s get rid of Borthwick after the France game. Let’s stick with F Smith at 10, let’s pick our best 8, let’s settle on a centre pairing, let’s pick a full back.

Let’s, for fucks sake, find a decent head coach.

Congrats to Italy, it’s been a long wait, impressive that for large parts of that game they didn’t even play very well but we’re still good enough to beat that shower

He's got the backing of the board...

@Bones said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

He's got the backing of the board...

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Kiss of death

@Jet said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Razor needs to take a long hard look at himself that he let this England team give the Allblacks such a towelling.

Perhaps we should fire him?

Congratulations Italy.

A bit of a quandary for the England RU chiefs this close to the RWC - similar issues NZR faced. It may be too soon for sweeping changes but do they conduct an independant review now including players? If Borthwick has the confidence/backing of the team then continue as per the Foster situation and make changes to the assistant coaches and/or coaching system - if not, sack Borthwick and start recruiting...?

Nope, this from Stuff https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360948519/england-coach-steve-borthwicks-world-cup-future-questioned-after-shock-loss-italy

'Steve and his coaching team are working tirelessly to make improvements, and we remain fully committed to supporting them and the players as they face France this weekend and then look ahead to the Nations Championship.' RFU CEO Bill Sweeney.

Poor Borthwick has picked the wrong week for a resounding response now France will be looking for the same.

@allblacksfan2 said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Congratulations Italy.

A bit of a quandary for the England RU chiefs this close to the RWC - similar issues NZR faced. It may be too soon for sweeping changes but do they conduct an independant review now including players? If Borthwick has the confidence/backing of the team then continue as per the Foster situation and make changes to the assistant coaches and/or coaching system - if not, sack Borthwick and start recruiting...?

Good summation.

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

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I did not think I could enjoy that victory any more than I did.
The above photo and quote of Maidenhead's Voldemort tells me I am very wrong.

@nostrildamus said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

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I did not think I could enjoy that victory any more than I did.
The above photo and quote of Maidenhead's Voldemort tells me I am very wrong.

He's not wrong though

Hence the call to change the coach not the personnel

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

@nostrildamus said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

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I did not think I could enjoy that victory any more than I did.
The above photo and quote of Maidenhead's Voldemort tells me I am very wrong.

He's not wrong though

Hence the call to change the coach not the personnel

Oh he's often right! But there's just something about him that... hmm, this doesn't sound very objective does it!

@nostrildamus

Very far from objective but certainly understandable.

@booboo said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

@Jet said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

Razor needs to take a long hard look at himself that he let this England team give the Allblacks such a towelling.

Perhaps we should fire him?

@MN5 First stage of grief

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - Italy v England:

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I give you, dredged up from the barnacles of internet history.....