Bracewell first NZ spinner to take a 4for since the year 2000 in the champions trophy.
Paul Wiseman the last one
@bayimports said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Bracewell first NZ spinner to take a 4for since the year 2000 in the champions trophy.
Paul Wiseman the last one
That's a niche stat! To be fair, Champions Trophies have become much more infrequent.
Good solid win that and into the semis - not much on the game against India given it is hard to know who to avoid in the semi and how to avoid them
@KiwiPie said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@bayimports said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Bracewell first NZ spinner to take a 4for since the year 2000 in the champions trophy.
Paul Wiseman the last one
That's a niche stat! To be fair, Champions Trophies have become much more infrequent.
Good solid win that and into the semis - not much on the game against India given it is hard to know who to avoid in the semi and how to avoid them
Just play to win and take some positive momentum into the knockouts
Satisfying win in a bit of a banana skin chase. Nice to see us close it out without too much drama. Would have been nice ta have had at least one of Ravindra or Latham at the end though.
Ravindra obviously the key batter, but Latham's innings more valuable than it looks on a scorecard. A slow fifty was exactly what we needed when we were three down with Ravindra in full flow at the other end.
@Cyclops said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Satisfying win in a bit of a banana skin chase. Nice to see us close it out without too much drama. Would have been nice ta have had at least one of Ravindra or Latham at the end though.
Ravindra obviously the key batter, but Latham's innings more valuable than it looks on a scorecard. A slow fifty was exactly what we needed when we were three down with Ravindra in full flow at the other end.
It's almost a certainty now that Conway will be dropped for the remainder of the tournament when Mitchell comes back in. Ravindra and Young to open being the form batsmen. Hopefully Gary doesn't play favourites and actually picks on form.
Three tons from three different players in the first two matches. Couldn't ask for anything better than that in the leadup to the semi.
@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Three tons from three different players in the first two matches. Couldn't ask for anything better than that in the leadup to the semi.
This is key to our success so far (along with the spin kings of satner, bracewell and Phillips)
Imagine having three tons and none of them from the name Kane
@Canes4life said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@Cyclops said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Satisfying win in a bit of a banana skin chase. Nice to see us close it out without too much drama. Would have been nice ta have had at least one of Ravindra or Latham at the end though.
Ravindra obviously the key batter, but Latham's innings more valuable than it looks on a scorecard. A slow fifty was exactly what we needed when we were three down with Ravindra in full flow at the other end.
It's almost a certainty now that Conway will be dropped for the remainder of the tournament when Mitchell comes back in. Ravindra and Young to open being the form batsmen. Hopefully Gary doesn't play favourites and actually picks on form.
It's a nice problem to have for once - who has to be left out, rather than who we have to put in to play.
But, on form, I think Conway should play ahead of Will Young.
On this tour, Devon has scores of 97, 48, 66, 10, 30 = 251/5 = 50.2 average
Will has scores of 4, 19, 5, 14, 107, 0 = 149/6 = 24.83 average. One century, but not much else.
I think Kane is averaging 57.75
Mitch Jr 48.5
Tom Latham 48.8
Rachin 68.5
Given Devon has historically been preferred to Will, I don't see Ultra-Steady changing that give recent individual results.
@Chris-B said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@Canes4life said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@Cyclops said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Satisfying win in a bit of a banana skin chase. Nice to see us close it out without too much drama. Would have been nice ta have had at least one of Ravindra or Latham at the end though.
Ravindra obviously the key batter, but Latham's innings more valuable than it looks on a scorecard. A slow fifty was exactly what we needed when we were three down with Ravindra in full flow at the other end.
It's almost a certainty now that Conway will be dropped for the remainder of the tournament when Mitchell comes back in. Ravindra and Young to open being the form batsmen. Hopefully Gary doesn't play favourites and actually picks on form.
It's a nice problem to have for once - who has to be left out, rather than who we have to put in to play.
But, on form, I think Conway should play ahead of Will Young.
On this tour, Devon has scores of 97, 48, 66, 10, 30 = 251/5 = 50.2 average
Will has scores of 4, 19, 5, 14, 107, 0 = 149/6 = 24.83 average. One century, but not much else.
I think Kane is averaging 57.75
Mitch Jr 48.5
Tom Latham 48.8
Rachin 68.5Given Devon has historically been preferred to Will, I don't see Ultra-Steady changing that give recent individual results.
Thanks for the rundown of those numbers, I think you're right in this case, Conway will probably get the nod. Conway and Ravindra have probably batted together more than anyone else so there is that factor as well.
@Canes4life One surprising thing I found when I re-checked something is that Young has played more ODIs than Conway.
I would have lost a lot of money on that bet.
Thought some of our bowling was a bit wild - especially O'Rourke. Lots of wides. That's my main concern against the best batting line-ups.
@Chris-B said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@Canes4life said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@Cyclops said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Satisfying win in a bit of a banana skin chase. Nice to see us close it out without too much drama. Would have been nice ta have had at least one of Ravindra or Latham at the end though.
Ravindra obviously the key batter, but Latham's innings more valuable than it looks on a scorecard. A slow fifty was exactly what we needed when we were three down with Ravindra in full flow at the other end.
It's almost a certainty now that Conway will be dropped for the remainder of the tournament when Mitchell comes back in. Ravindra and Young to open being the form batsmen. Hopefully Gary doesn't play favourites and actually picks on form.
It's a nice problem to have for once - who has to be left out, rather than who we have to put in to play.
But, on form, I think Conway should play ahead of Will Young.
On this tour, Devon has scores of 97, 48, 66, 10, 30 = 251/5 = 50.2 average
Will has scores of 4, 19, 5, 14, 107, 0 = 149/6 = 24.83 average. One century, but not much else.
I think Kane is averaging 57.75
Mitch Jr 48.5
Tom Latham 48.8
Rachin 68.5Given Devon has historically been preferred to Will, I don't see Ultra-Steady changing that give recent individual results.
Young or Conway could come down the opposition, both still have weakness against a decent opening pace attack,I think it is a toss of a coin who you play 2 lefties opening or a Rh/LH combo.
@No-Quarter Maybe not - but, I think that's where the change would come. Hard to see them leaving out Mitchell, who averages nearly 50 in ODIs.
22 runs from wides and 15 extra balls. That needs to be tidied up.
Anyone watching late in the Bangles innings? In O'Rourke's last over, Taskin was backing away and swiping wildly - and O'Rourke was digging it in and bowling into his body - which was economical because Taskin didn't have an answer - but I reckon it was crying out for a yorker and was a bit surprised Will didn't give him one.
@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Do we think opening is Ravindra's best spot? I do quite like the Kane-Ravindra 3-4 axis.
I quite like Ravindra at 4 as well but to balance the team he probably has to open.
@Chris-B said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@No-Quarter Maybe not - but, I think that's where the change would come. Hard to see them leaving out Mitchell, who averages nearly 50 in ODIs.
22 runs from wides and 15 extra balls. That needs to be tidied up.
Anyone watching late in the Bangles innings? In O'Rourke's last over, Taskin was backing away and swiping wildly - and O'Rourke was digging it in and bowling into his body - which was economical because Taskin didn't have an answer - but I reckon it was crying out for a yorker and was a bit surprised Will didn't give him one.
Yeah I was watching probably he didn’t want to miss the Yorker and get punished.
It gets used less and less these days in white ball cricket.
You can’t beat a decent inswinging Yorker at a decent pace.
@bayimports said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Jamieson looks a little wayward, but nice to see him back
I honestly can’t believe he’s back. I thought he’d be gone for heaps longer
@Chris said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@Chris-B said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@No-Quarter Maybe not - but, I think that's where the change would come. Hard to see them leaving out Mitchell, who averages nearly 50 in ODIs.
22 runs from wides and 15 extra balls. That needs to be tidied up.
Anyone watching late in the Bangles innings? In O'Rourke's last over, Taskin was backing away and swiping wildly - and O'Rourke was digging it in and bowling into his body - which was economical because Taskin didn't have an answer - but I reckon it was crying out for a yorker and was a bit surprised Will didn't give him one.
Yeah I was watching probably he didn’t want to miss the Yorker and get punished.
It gets used less and less these days in white ball cricket.
You can’t beat a decent inswinging Yorker at a decent pace.
Can blame BMac for that apparently - his technique of cross-batting yorkers effectively removed them as anything other than an occasional weapon.
@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
SA vs AUS match abondoned overnight so unless AUS lose to AFG they are through to semis.
Elimination match coming up between ENG and AFG.
@KiwiPie said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
SA vs AUS match abondoned overnight so unless AUS lose to AFG they are through to semis.
Elimination match coming up between ENG and AFG.
And England are goneburger. Watched the end while getting ready to go to work and they had it with 17 from 14 required when I went downstairs to grab some lunch and had lost it by the time I got back.
Outstanding 177 from Zadran to rescue AFG from 34-3 and with their barrage of bashers, it took a ton from their cultured batsman Root to even get ENG close.
@NTA said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
I'm sure England will say they were the better team and deserved to win
Moral victory, custodians of the game old chap.
Where is my Gin and Tonic ?
@MN5 said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@NTA said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
I'm sure England will say they were the better team and deserved to win
Moral victory, custodians of the game old chap.
Where is my Gin and Tonic ?
Bazball. That's the issue
This tournament might be hosted by Pakistan but it is a "home" tournament for India. As they refused to play in Pakistan all their games are in Dubai.
Meanwhile NZ has been racking up the travel by flying from Karachi to Rawalpindi to Dubai and then it will be back to Lahore for the SF. It looks like the only way the final is in Pakistan is if India isn't in it.
yeah it's fucking bullshit. I hope they get rolled in their semi no matter what happens with us.
Yeah it's a bit of a mess and gives India a distinct advantage over everyone else. The better options would be to either exclude India from the tournament, or not play it in Pakistan in the first place if there are real security risks.
@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
not play it in Pakistan in the first place if there are real security risks.
the risk to India is qutie different though; they really really don't get on with each other. And point nuclear weapons at each other over the border, too. So there's that.
But yeah, India should have been excluded ... but when you're 80% of world cricket revenue, you get to do waht you want. It sucks. I like the Indian team, but this is shitty behaviour.
@nzzp yeah I would actually lean towards not playing it in Pakistan. The country has... significant issues... I am not convinced they are fit to hold a world tournament. I know there are other politics at play for India, but if Pakistan is genuinely not safe for one of the top teams then that should discount them as possible hosts.
@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Yeah it's a bit of a mess and gives India a distinct advantage over everyone else. The better options would be to either exclude India from the tournament, or not play it in Pakistan in the first place if there are real security risks.
You're not going to change the local geo politics which leaves exactly what you've suggested as the only real fair alternatives.
However the previously raised travel is BS argument, Karachi is only 2.5hrs from Dubai and Lahore is not 4 hours either.
Add a teaspoon of cement into your tea
Aus v Afghanistan will be interesting tonight, a bit of a must win for Aus after their game with SA was washed out. Rain is on the radar again tonight, been a few games washed out so far which is far from ideal in a short tournament.
NZ play India tonight. We are already in the semis so the only thing riding on the result of this game is who we play in the semi finals. Win we play South Africa, lose we play Australia.
@1kiwi said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
NZ play India tonight. We are already in the semis so the only thing riding on the result of this game is who we play in the semi finals. Win we play South Africa, lose we play Australia.
I thin that's reversed now isn't it? Aus are behind SA - so winning gets you Australia?
Happy to be corrected - I'm assuming it's 1st in pool vs 2nd in other pool
@1kiwi said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
NZ play India tonight. We are already in the semis so the only thing riding on the result of this game is who we play in the semi finals. Win we play South Africa, lose we play Australia.
Ridiculous that India can base themselves in Dubai and everyone else has to travel to play them.
Doesn’t bother me, we probably play spin better than them right now. Nothing game though but since in India this week I’m going to hit the bar and wind some locals up.
If I understand, India will not play in Pakistan. So every team that has to play them has to travel to play them while India can rest up. Seems a strange situation
@canefan said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
If I understand, India will not play in Pakistan. So every team that has to play them has to travel to play them while India can rest up. Seems a strange situation
.....and yet when people call out Kohli for acting like a cock they scream racism
@MN5 said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@canefan said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
If I understand, India will not play in Pakistan. So every team that has to play them has to travel to play them while India can rest up. Seems a strange situation
.....and yet when people call out Kohli for acting like a cock they scream racism
Classic case of the Indian tail wagging the ICC dog. One rule for all, except if you are India