Looking forward to this game because it’s going to reveal so much about both teams. Will the boks revert to brutality or persist with tony ball? If the wallabies win again, they would have to be considered favorites for the championship..
Can’t wait
@nzzp said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
From what I saw, SA dominated everywhere but the scoreboard
And the lineout
And the ruck
And handling errors
Tbh I think they'll revert to Boklodyte and smash shit out of us.
With Slipper and Pietsch out, and probably Wilson as well, time to go large.
Bell
Pollard
Tupou (tho he was useless)
Frost
Skelton
Hooper
McReight (c)
Valetini
White
JOC
Kellaway
Ikitau
Suaalii
Jorgensen
Wright
BPA, Ross, Nonggor, LSL, Gleeson, McDermott, Edmed, Daugunu
The Boks have to revert to type, they just don't have a skillful enough 9/10 combo to pull off anything else. Going to be an interesting match, when the Boks revert to type they tend to grind teams into the ground, rather than build a big lead. Aus will be working off turnover ball, a couple of pieces of magic could keep things very close there.
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
If they'd been a little more restrained they would have probably won the game
@canefan said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
If they'd been a little more restrained they would have probably won the game
I thought i read something recently about Rassie wanting to reinvent their game for the next cycle - not wanting to stay the same - I don't think one loss will throw him off course as it is somewhat inevitable that this kind of change goes too far on some occassions. I expect them to tighten up around the breakdown a bit and hit the one out to commit defenders, then go wide.
Whenever i type something like that it always feels like the most obvious statement in the world and what every team is trying to do...
After the game I got a txt from the missus that the "spring bogs" had been beaten by the Wallabies.
Had a little chuckle...
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
If they'd been a little more restrained they would have probably won the game
I thought i read something recently about Rassie wanting to reinvent their game for the next cycle - not wanting to stay the same - I don't think one loss will throw him off course as it is somewhat inevitable that this kind of change goes too far on some occassions. I expect them to tighten up around the breakdown a bit and hit the one out to commit defenders, then go wide.
Whenever i type something like that it always feels like the most obvious statement in the world and what every team is trying to do...
You could be talking about the ABs......
Winning the collision before spinning it wide, where have I heard that....
@nzzp said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA mate I only watched the second half an dthe tail end of the first. It looked like the Aus scrum was wrecked and the lineout suffered ... looks like Aus stole their share of the ball (well done!)
I thought Tupou negated Nché well. Louw seemed on top on TH side, but only a couple of poor Oz scrums, one with Slips and one with Bell.
Frost is becoming world leading and was a real pest at 5 against tall Boks lineout.
Oz maul defence exemplary.
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
This
Doesn't need to change the 'new style', players just need to be patient and focused
If they had done that last weekend it could have been close to 42-0 up and out of sight
If SA improve their accuracy once they've created the space then look out Oz
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
This
But what about the Bok biltong "aura"? Seeped away on the weekend!
On another note, I read an interesting thought that maybe playing at attitude is not such a great home advantage these days as some of their players are now almost as often foreign/overseas as the actual foreign/overseas players...
@NTA said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@nzzp said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
From what I saw, SA dominated everywhere but the scoreboard
And the lineout
And the ruck
And handling errors
Tbh I think they'll revert to Boklodyte and smash shit out of us.
With Slipper and Pietsch out, and probably Wilson as well, time to go large.
Bell
Pollard
Tupou (tho he was useless)
Frost
Skelton
Hooper
McReight (c)
Valetini
White
JOC
Kellaway
Ikitau
Suaalii
Jorgensen
WrightBPA, Ross, Nonggor, LSL, Gleeson, McDermott, Edmed, Daugunu
Having seen Bok team I’d swap Ross and Bell. Also some argument for 6 - 2 to allow Tinzanno to come off bench.
Bok side named:
15 Willie le Roux (Vodacom Bulls) – 100 caps, 75 pts (15t)
14 Canan Moodie (Vodacom Bulls) – 15 caps, 35 pts (7t)
13 Jesse Kriel (captain, Canon Eagles) – 81 caps, 95 points (19t)
12 Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 89 caps, 55 points (11t)
11 Cheslin Kolbe (Tokyo Sungoliath) – 41 caps, 111 points (18t, 3c, 5p)
10 Handre Pollard (Vodacom Bulls) – 82 caps, 797 points (7t, 116c, 168p, 5dg)
9 Grant Williams (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 20 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 Jean-Luc du Preez (Bordeaux Begles) – 14 caps 10 points (2t)
7 Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 80 caps, 20 points (4t)
6 Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 28 caps, 15 pts (3t)
5 Ruan Nortje (Vodacom Bulls) – 8 caps, 0 pts
4 RG Snyman (Leinster) – 42 caps, 10 points (2t)
3 Thomas du Toit (Bath) – 25 caps, 5 pts (1t)
2 Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 79 caps, 115 pts (23t)
1 Ox Nche (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 42 caps, 0 pts
Replacements:
16 Marnus van der Merwe (Scarlets) – 1 cap, 10 points (2t)
17 Boan Venter (Edinburgh) – 2 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 Wilco Louw (Vodacom Bulls) – 19 caps, 0 pts
19 Eben Etzebeth (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 134 caps, 35 points (7t)
20 Lood de Jager (Wild Knights) – 68 caps, 25 points (5t)
21 Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 54 caps, 45 points (9t)
22 Cobus Reinach (DHL Stormers) – 41 caps, 70 pts (14t)
23 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu (DHL Stormers) – 10 caps, 54 points (15c, 8p)
Christ sake Nick, is there genuinely a Wallaby game you haven't tipped the opposition by 50? Getting tiresome.
We have as good a chance in this as any. We have belief, and the feeling we're playing with house money now.
And I don't know how you can think the loss of Kolisi, Esterhuizen and the benching of Etzebeth is a good thing for the Boks. To me this is a lesser version of their side last week. Which doesn't mean they will lose, but the idea we will get flogged is mindlessly pessimistic.
10 changes after a loss is crazy, yeah they have a lot of depth but it'll be interesting to see how cohesive they are. Aus will be fired up, 2/2 in SA would be incredible. Might actually get up for this one.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Christ sake Nick, is there genuinely a Wallaby game you haven't tipped the opposition by 50? Getting tiresome.
Pretty sure I said we'd beat Fiji and we nearly fucked that up.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Which doesn't mean they will lose, but the idea we will get flogged is mindlessly pessimistic.
Call it PTSD.
That Bok team might not be their best in terms of individuals. Or cohesion as a unit.
However they're going back to the blueprint: kick the skin off it and pressure us up the right end of the park. They won't care if we actually take the high balls - as soon as a toe touches the ground they'll be looking to put in a massive shot and get us gunshy.
There's nothing subtle about a 6-2 bench. The question is whether Schmidt responds in kind.
@No-Quarter said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
10 changes after a loss is crazy, yeah they have a lot of depth but it'll be interesting to see how cohesive they are. Aus will be fired up, 2/2 in SA would be incredible. Might actually get up for this one.
Would be the first time since 1963 and to do it without someone of Catchpole's calibre would be immense.
@voodoo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@sparky said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Hey Rassie, keep leaving out PSDT please.
he's injured
They seem to have been pretty lucky with injuries to their top side to date, but now him and Kolisi? Jeez
@barbarian Anyway I already bought tickets for Wallabies v Pumas at the SFS next month, so blow that out your arse :winking_face_with_tongue:
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Christ sake Nick, is there genuinely a Wallaby game you haven't tipped the opposition by 50? Getting tiresome.
We have as good a chance in this as any. We have belief, and the feeling we're playing with house money now.
And I don't know how you can think the loss of Kolisi, Esterhuizen and the benching of Etzebeth is a good thing for the Boks. To me this is a lesser version of their side last week. Which doesn't mean they will lose, but the idea we will get flogged is mindlessly pessimistic.
One man's overwhelming pessimism is another man's strong jinx game, or defensive mechanism. It's the hope that kills
@canefan said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
One man's overwhelming pessimism is another man's strong jinx game, or defensive mechanism. It's the hope that kills
I see what you (Canes supporter) did there...
@NTA said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
That Bok team might not be their best in terms of individuals. Or cohesion as a unit.
However they're going back to the blueprint: kick the skin off it and pressure us up the right end of the park. They won't care if we actually take the high balls - as soon as a toe touches the ground they'll be looking to put in a massive shot and get us gunshy.
There's nothing subtle about a 6-2 bench. The question is whether Schmidt responds in kind.
Far better backline
If the fatties can win good, clean, quick ball by taking it up the guts and tying in the Aussie loose forwards then that backline can do some damage
via Reddit:
Fun Fact: since 2019, there have been 8 matches between the 2 sides and both have won 4 each.
2021
28 vs 26 
30 vs 17
2022
25 vs 17 8 vs 24
2023
43 vs 12
2024
7 vs 33 12 vs 30
2025
22 vs 38
Total Score: 160 vs 212
Average Score: 20 vs 27
@nzzp said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
via Reddit:
Fun Fact: since 2019, there have been 8 matches between the 2 sides and both have won 4 each.2021
2022
2023
2024
2025
Total Score:
Average Score:
So Dave Rennie was 3 from 4. Eddie dogshit.
I'm picking an absolute kicking by SA this week.
I have been wrong before though.
Like just last week for example.
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
This
Doesn't need to change the 'new style', players just need to be patient and focused
If they had done that last weekend it could have been close to 42-0 up and out of sight
If SA improve their accuracy once they've created the space then look out Oz
Doubling down on your "Boks should win easily in third gear" prediction from last week? 
Fact is, for all the squad depth SA have (and they do), you can only pick 23 players on the day and they still have to perform or they will get turned over. Even at home against an Oz team that was written off by nearly everyone in the Republic. Confidence is a difficult beast to control. AB teams from the past know this when they have played cannon fodder in the world cup pool games only to meet an opponent up for the fight in the knockout stages. You have to earn every win. There's no God given right.
SA isn't as far ahead of the chasing pack (if at all) as some of their supporters believe, which is why the fall to Earth has been so profound this week. They still have a very good team and a great coach.
They will be dangerous this week because they will be desperate to atone for the embarrassment of last week. Not because they lost to Oz (no embarrassment there), but because for the second half they barely looked like they could compete at home and almost looked lost. That will sting. The over-confidence will be gone.
@stodders said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
This
Doesn't need to change the 'new style', players just need to be patient and focused
If they had done that last weekend it could have been close to 42-0 up and out of sight
If SA improve their accuracy once they've created the space then look out Oz
Doubling down on your "Boks should win easily in third gear" prediction from last week?
Fact is, for all the squad depth SA have (and they do), you can only pick 23 players on the day and they still have to perform or they will get turned over. Even at home against an Oz team that was written off by nearly everyone in the Republic. Confidence is a difficult beast to control. AB teams from the past know this when they have played cannon fodder in the world cup pool games only to meet an opponent up for the fight in the knockout stages. You have to earn every win. There's no God given right.
SA isn't as far ahead of the chasing pack (if at all) as some of their supporters believe, which is why the fall to Earth has been so profound this week. They still have a very good team and a great coach.
They will be dangerous this week because they will be desperate to atone for the embarrassment of last week. Not because they lost to Oz (no embarrassment there), but because for the second half they barely looked like they could compete at home and almost looked lost. That will sting. The over-confidence will be gone.
Yep
That was a great comeback from Australia helped by some really ropey refereeing and dumb, dumb SA attack play
This weekend if SA play smart rugby and execute the game plan they’ll win by a greater margin than OZ did last week
@nostrildamus said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
That is 2 great games by Australia in a row.
Which is weird in itself
