@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Think it's time to put a line through B Barrett, Savea, ALB, Kirifi, Proctor, and Ratima. Just not very good.
Parker mediocre.
You just reminded me that Parker was playing today.
South Africa dont give a fuck about the Currie Cup. There main focus is the boks. Brutal forward pack build to dominate. A kicking game with runners create chaos. Simple but affective. No forwards with behind the back play just up the guts. Fuck this is so frustrating.
@ACT-Crusader Rumour has it some of the guys went and saw the Rolling Stones on the Sunday before that Test and some of them got invited to the band's after party and were still feeling the effects a few days later.
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
A new coach won’t fix our lack of basic skills.
"Our basic skills" translates to selecting a first five that couldn't win a Beauden Barrett lookalike contest and a captain with the resolve of a teaspoon of sugar. I could do better.
Sure, but that lets soooo many others off lightly.
I struggle to see how selection isn't a major issue that sees "sooooo" many others not even involved.
We use our penalties better and we defend more intelligently and we win that test.
England's score board management, attacking shape and defensive organisation were in a different league to ours.
Well it a bit strange. I not feeling absolutely gutted (disappointed of course), I just don't think this AB team is good enough to really deserve a Grand Slam and go into the ranks of the good teams that have done it.
Time to go rewatch Otago win the ranfurly shield to try and take my mind of this shit show
@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:
Well it a bit strange. I not feeling absolutely gutted (disappointed of course), I just don't think this AB team is good enough to really deserve a Grand Slam and go into the ranks of the good teams that have done it.
I remember thinking at the time 2008 grand slam team was a much weaker side than usual, but what I would give for them now!!
BB, SB, Savea time to move on. Time to rebuild before it gets worse. Passengers like ALB and a few others need to finish up too.
Build a team around Roigard as Captain and take it from there and weed out the rest over the next year.
Parker, Proctor and possibly even Carter haven't stepped up unfortunately.
Front row and locks mostly ok.
Find a safe old school no.10 and look for flair elsewhere. Midfield is tough, no one standing out.
@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:
Is it the weakest AB side of the professional era ? I am tending to think so.
I don't think so.
I think the game plan and captaincy is very weak.
Well we consider that 3/4 which I'm sure most thought was mild success. But fuck that's an awful loss
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones And that's why I'm not that upset.
Better leadership, especially at First Five, and we are a comfortably better team.
The evidence and the solution have been starring this coaching panel in the face for some time.
This is fixable next year, if there is a will to do so.
I don't care about next year.
Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea not playing SR next year is looking a massive gamble by them and a huge get-out-jail opportunity for the selectors
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:
Is it the weakest AB side of the professional era ? I am tending to think so.
I don't think so.
I think the game plan and captaincy is very weak.
Yes agreed, overall mentality is very weak.
The first 30 minutes should have seen us build a lead that England would have been unable to come back against.
But they went in st half time the happier team.
We are poor
@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:
Is it the weakest AB side of the professional era ? I am tending to think so.
No, that honour would still belong to the Taine Randell-led All Blacks…
@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:
Ratima was poor when he came on.
Not sure what's happened with him as he used to give quick ball and get it out without thinking. Now he pisses around and slows the tempo.
Should be Fakatava on the bench.
Ruben Love clocking up air miles to watch Beauden Barrett do a rugby equivalent of Karaoke.
That’s gold and 
on point ,
Did’nt the Blues win a super title without Barrett ?
The obsession with BB is beyond comprehension , he is now way more rocks than diamonds , does’nt challenge the line either
Theres question marks on both the coach and the skipper for mine theres a few that just need to be moved on including the skipper as a previous poster said some of the old brigade needs to be moved on starting with Scooter and Beauden
Cody Taylor still deserves his place and should be the skipper imo
Ardie has been really quiet on this tour but i’m unsure in terms of an out and 7 where we go atm
Possibly Lakai or Du Plessis Kirifi ? or does Dalton Papallii come back into the picture
I have no idea why the midfield combo of Tupaea and Faianganuku was changed , i have seen nothing in Proctor to suggest hes an international 13 for all the critique Reiko Ioane had about his lack of ability to put his outsides away at least he could defend
I thought this test was an ideal opportunity to unleash Caleb Tangitau but once again they changed combo who looked good in the game against Scotland
Personally i cant see NZ Rugby changing the coach out , but will the coach have the fortitude to make some tough calls .?
With the RWC only just under 2 years away if NZ Rugby needed to make a change it needs happen right happen at the end of this tour.
@Tanifulla This isn't go to sting for decades in the way that meltdown against France at the same found in 1999 did.
Guys I am from SA. I dont know NZ rugby politics. All I know is when Steve Tew were is charge NZ dominated on and off the park. What happened? The worst thing that could have happened was to announce Robertson when Foster was still in charge. When good coaches leave NZ and go on to make other nations competitive. I am just dumstruck
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
To be fair, they fucked England over a couple of times too.
I'm struggling to think of worse officiating of a Test in a long time.
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Haven't seen a TV yet.
What was the yellow for.
Why did Roigard go off
They said he limped off at HT
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to lose
If Beuaden was banged up early Surfing Jesus, why didn’t you hook him early? Fk me this guy doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool.
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
If Beuaden was banged up early Surfing Jesus, why didn’t you hook him early? Fk me this guy doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool.
He was needed for experience 
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to lose
Agreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
To be fair, they fucked England over a couple of times too.
I'm struggling to think of worse officiating of a Test in a long time.
We see it almost every week.
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
This cringe bullshit about the grand slam ending, when it wasn’t even a grand slam.
I hope we never, ever bill a tour of the Northern Hemisphere again as a "Grand Slam" tour. Utter hubris.
You call it a Grand Slam once it's earned
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
I just wish Razor would make the hard calls
Mo’unga will be back. This seems to be the plan 
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:
Is it the weakest AB side of the professional era ? I am tending to think so.
I don't think so.
I think the game plan and captaincy is very weak.Yes agreed, overall mentality is very weak.
The first 30 minutes should have seen us build a lead that England would have been unable to come back against.
But they went in st half time the happier team.
We are poor
Reminded me of how I felt in 99 SF and the 07 QF.
Even though we were winning at HT I never felt comfortable about us pressing on in those games or even today.
Whilst Roigard’s kicking game was largely good today, I thought the game management and option taking by him and BB were erratic and never settled.
Haven’t rad the stats yet, but it appears they our fatties didn’t run the ball anywhere near what we have seen this year. Where were the 3 man pods and then using the space on 2nd and 3rd phase.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
What yellow card are you referring to?