Make wholesale changes and we learn nothing. Keep the changes to a reasonable number so we can see what the changes actually do.
I'd like to see the tight 5 basically remain the same (Holland back in for Lord), but with Taylor to the bench and Samisoni to start and give 30 mins of hard carries.
Loosies Savea out for Sititi.
BB right out for McKenzie with Love to fullback and Jordan to the wing. LF to the bench.
@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
Oh good, a club level at best ref.
She'll be better than the terrible ref we had yesterday. (Setting a low bar).
Maybe, but only in the bits where she can keep up.
If we start Reece, Hollie will have to slow herself down to adjust
@antipodean said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
They'll be disjointed as fuck and we'll learn nothing from a stuttering performance.
The coaching group or the players?
Isn’t the best result for everyone involved Wales beating the ABs (with all the experienced heads playing )? Saves one of the regions, surely.
@pakman That team is probably not too far away.
I reckon it's more likely DMac will play 10 and Love 15.
Not sure how they will use the props (and hookers), but I'd expect these to be the four (and two).
I'd probably go the way you have and have some cavalry on the bench in case of the newbies shitting the bed.
I'd like to see some Love at 10 at some point rather than 15. What a shame Narawa is injured, I reckon he'd go ok at 15 (or maybe ENS-lost opportunity to be in the squad).
@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
Roof will be on
Every point scored against NZ will be roared on like we’re shagging the best looking girl in the bar
Every point conceded won’t matter because we’re chatting up the best looking girl in the bar
A fantastic day in store
You better hope there are some foreign women in town bro.
@brodean said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"
Regardless of selection, losing to Wales would be a fucking abomination. I think we could seriously expect a new coach by Xmas.
We wouldn't lose to Wales even if Scott Barrett got a permanent red.
Hoping I can use this on Saturday
@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@brodean said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"
Regardless of selection, losing to Wales would be a fucking abomination. I think we could seriously expect a new coach by Xmas.
We wouldn't lose to Wales even if Scott Barrett got a permanent red.
Hoping I can use this on Saturday
I could only find that scenario coming true amusing
@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@brodean said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"
Regardless of selection, losing to Wales would be a fucking abomination. I think we could seriously expect a new coach by Xmas.
We wouldn't lose to Wales even if Scott Barrett got a permanent red.
Hoping I can use this on Saturday
I was thinking the same but then remembered we couldn't even break down a 13 man Japan side last weekend. 
@jamsb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@sparky at first five or fullback?
Personally I'd like him at 15. I want to see if he can form a better back 3 with Clarke and Jordan as wingers (obviously CC won't be there this time)
Assuming Cam can't play I'd put out
Ratima, DMac, Tangitau, QT, Ioane, Love, Jordan
@Bovidae said in Wales Vs All Blacks:
@cgrant No Ioane or Bell in the 23?
While I wouldn't be surprised if some players in the squad don't play on this tour, and said as much, you would hope those who have only been holding tackle bags get an opportunity to play.
Too late for that for me, guys should have had an opportunity earlier.
Giving guys a participation run in our last game is not something we can afford to do when we are doing so much badly, it will just be yet another missed opportunity to fix things and see how a few new guys go in the A team structure (if that exists).
@reprobate Just wait until Reece gets his start. 
I am more saying that Ioane should be playing ahead of LF or BP in this game.
They have a bit of an issue on the left wing this weekend.
Clarke shouldn't really be playing given he had a failed HIA the game before last.
Reece and Ioane aren't the future on the left wing. Tangitau is more of a right winger as is Jordan. Leicester could get another run I suppose. Personally I'd pick ENS but it won't happen - he hasn't even been called up to the squad.
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
Jim Carrey did actually marry her in real life so don't give up hope. Based on that your boys can definitely knock over the ABs and Boks in successive weekends.
Going to be interesting, remember last year when the last game of the tour against Italy was the game it was rumoured the guys who hadn’t played much would get a run .
Then we lost to France and it seemed like razor felt the pressure to make a statement and picked the usuals .
Tevita Mafileo out after suffering a rib fracture in training. George Dyer called into the squad.
@kiwiinmelb said in Wales v All Blacks:
Going to be interesting, remember last year when the last game of the tour against Italy was the game it was rumoured the guys who hadn’t played much would get a run .
Then we lost to France and it seemed like razor felt the pressure to make a statement and picked the usuals .
Who put out the usual sub standard performance too.
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
Tevita Mafileo out after suffering a rib fracture in training. George Dyer called into the squad.
Coaches will be relieved that they don't have to make a change there.
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate Just wait until Reece gets his start.
I am more saying that Ioane should be playing ahead of LF or BP in this game.
Faaark I hope not. RI ahead of LF agree - just too many errors - but I thought Proctor was reasonably good and put in a big effort on the weekend.
I would like to see Tangitau. He's not the finished article, but if LF can be given all these tests then why not him?
I really hope McKenzie gets to play with Roigard so we can have two kicking options, but that probably won't happen.
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
Faaark I hope not. RI ahead of LF agree - just too many errors - but I thought Proctor was reasonably good and put in a big effort on the weekend.
I voted for Proctor in the MOTM poll. If Ioane plays it will be on the wing, as they don't see him as a centre.
Also, Devon Flanders has joined the squad as training cover. That gives more credence to the Papalii rumour.
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
Faaark I hope not. RI ahead of LF agree - just too many errors - but I thought Proctor was reasonably good and put in a big effort on the weekend.
I voted for Proctor in the MOTM poll. If Ioane plays it will be on the wing, as they don't see him as a centre.
Also, Devon Flanders has joined the squad as training cover. That gives more credence to the Papalii rumour.
Glad to hear that, I thought Flanders was comfortably the best of the Canes loosies when the Brumbies knocked them out (and the other two made the ABs). Also best 8 in the NPC along with CLW. Solid skills, a bit of size and doesn't shirk - not that I think he's our magic bullet or anything.
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
Faaark I hope not. RI ahead of LF agree - just too many errors - but I thought Proctor was reasonably good and put in a big effort on the weekend.
I voted for Proctor in the MOTM poll. If Ioane plays it will be on the wing, as they don't see him as a centre.
Also, Devon Flanders has joined the squad as training cover. That gives more credence to the Papalii rumour.
I think that all but confirms the rumour.
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
Tevita Mafileo out after suffering a rib fracture in training. George Dyer called into the squad.
Things may have turned around if they're now selecting replacements in the same position.
Two weeks ago I'd have expected Fihaki to be called up instead.
@antipodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
Tevita Mafileo out after suffering a rib fracture in training. George Dyer called into the squad.
Things may have turned around if they're now selecting replacements in the same position.
Two weeks ago I'd have expected Fihaki to be called up instead.
It's the little wins eh?
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
Tevita Mafileo out after suffering a rib fracture in training. George Dyer called into the squad.
Things may have turned around if they're now selecting replacements in the same position.
Two weeks ago I'd have expected Fihaki to be called up instead.
It's the little wins eh?
Small percentages are the difference.
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
Lots of whispers that Ruben Love will start.
Good, but 12 games too late into the season.
and thats the problem...they'll play him...he'll look rusty and they'll go back to "experienced" because they new guys arent perfect
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
Lots of whispers that Ruben Love will start.
Good, but 12 games too late into the season.
and thats the problem...they'll play him...he'll look rusty and they'll go back to "experienced" because they new guys arent perfect
Even if he plays well it probably won't matter....Ruben Love played well in the 3rd French test as starting fullback....
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
Faaark I hope not. RI ahead of LF agree - just too many errors - but I thought Proctor was reasonably good and put in a big effort on the weekend.
I voted for Proctor in the MOTM poll. If Ioane plays it will be on the wing, as they don't see him as a centre.
Also, Devon Flanders has joined the squad as training cover. That gives more credence to the Papalii rumour.
Glad to hear that, I thought Flanders was comfortably the best of the Canes loosies when the Brumbies knocked them out (and the other two made the ABs). Also best 8 in the NPC along with CLW. Solid skills, a bit of size and doesn't shirk - not that I think he's our magic bullet or anything.
His big issue has been staying fit, has all the ball playing skills in the world but probably needs to show more in the physicality stakes if he's going to do well at the next level.
@KiwiMurph said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
Lots of whispers that Ruben Love will start.
Good, but 12 games too late into the season.
and thats the problem...they'll play him...he'll look rusty and they'll go back to "experienced" because they new guys arent perfect
Even if he plays well it probably won't matter....Ruben Love played well in the 3rd French test as starting fullback....
agreed, i think there have been a few that looked solid, like CLW, when given a shot....only to be cast aside for being less than perfect
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Wales v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
Lots of whispers that Ruben Love will start.
Good, but 12 games too late into the season.
and thats the problem...they'll play him...he'll look rusty and they'll go back to "experienced" because they new guys arent perfect
Even if he plays well it probably won't matter....Ruben Love played well in the 3rd French test as starting fullback....
agreed, i think there have been a few that looked solid, like CLW, when given a shot....only to be cast aside for being less than perfect
Or just because the coaches have their favourites and have no intention to challenge this regardless of performance