RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)

@Bovidae said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Magpie_in_aus If AB stats are up-to-date, Kieran Read needs one more try to tie with Richie for the most tries and points by a forward.

A big gap from Read (26) and McCaw (27) to the next forward, Zinny with 17 test tries.

Be nice for posterity if Richie and Kieran end up with the same number, but right at this point I'm not averse to seeing Kieran pull ahead.

In fact, if he wants to pull a couple of Cornelson's to finish, he is more than welcome!

@Chris-B And BB to overtake JK, Umaga, Lomu and BFA.

@Bovidae said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Chris-B And BB to overtake JK, Umaga, Lomu and BFA.

That's a murderer's row of wings, centre and fullback right there. For most other teams, that would be a Mt Rushmore (yeah I know, too much time watching US sports media)

Eddie Jones is enjoying his week. He's a funny little bugger

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@DMX Interesting your view on the Barret v Mo'unga discussion. I've never felt that Barrett was a fantastic fly half - and I realise that this may lead to me being virtual lynched on here, but to me he does not seem to fit too well for some of the key duties of a 10. His kicking game is a bit off, his game management is not up there with the likes of say Carter, BUT he is without doubt a fantastic, almost freakish, rugby player and has to play. I can see the argument for having him at 10 as he is so good that you want to get the ball to him as often and as quickly as possible, but I think I agree with you that the extra space he gets at 15 is perhaps more suited and allied to that, you have a bloody good 10 in Mo'unga to bring a little more control to the game.

A very nice problem to have.

Off to dig a trench and search for my tin hat...

man, i am with you. I got lynched for saying Barrett was a poor 10 but a fantastic rugby player. The Hurricanes faithful are a little sensitive.

Yep.

Foster was on some show (or YouTube) last year talking about how they wanted to get the ball in his hands more often, and that was a big reason to keep him at 10, but it seems like they’ve worked out how to use him at 15 while still making sure he gets plenty of opportunities to get his hands on the ball. His stats last week were off the charts and they are putting him in positions for better mismatches too. If we win, that one coaching strategy should be applauded - they’ve redefined how to use him and redefined (possibly) what a WC 15 should be able to do (although I think it’s really a strategy to use Barrett’s speed and ability to take a gap).

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Eddie Jones is enjoying his week. He's a funny little bugger

Yeah he is. Hansen seemed to enjoy his last press conference as well.

I think that it was mentioned somewhere that they get on well?

@mariner4life he is rugby's Jimmy Spithill.

They know what buttons to push and the media lap it up.

@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@mariner4life he is rugby's Jimmy Spithill.

They know what buttons to push and the media lap it up.

his delivery is great too, and his little crooked grin. cracks me up.

Ignore the clickbait title - it's the press conference and he's obviously relaxed, confident and enjoying it.

@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Ignore the clickbait title - it's the press conference and he's obviously relaxed, confident and enjoying it.

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yep. And they should be, they are a good side in form. 50/50 chance of winning. And i reckon he'll have a trick or two up his sleeve as well.

Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.

Good enough for me to hedge.

@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.

Good enough for me to hedge.

my betting account knows no heart

Interesting that we are New Zealand and not the All Blacks (again) at the beginning.
Enoka busiest All Black coach because of pressure.
Played the under dog card nicely.

Good stuff Eddie.

Actually three of the four coaches seem like decent blokes - Gatland would get a pass when he isn't coaching the Lions.

@Snowy said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Gatland would get a pass when he isn't coaching the Lions.

Chiefs coach now, i think he's grand

who do the neutrals go for this weekend?

The dirty cynical cheating #1 side going for a threepeat of World Cups?

or the English?

The old 'fights, injuries and the ref"?

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Chiefs coach now, i think he's grand

So back to being a piston wristed gibbon then. Poor Warren.

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@DMX Interesting your view on the Barret v Mo'unga discussion. I've never felt that Barrett was a fantastic fly half - and I realise that this may lead to me being virtual lynched on here, but to me he does not seem to fit too well for some of the key duties of a 10. His kicking game is a bit off, his game management is not up there with the likes of say Carter, BUT he is without doubt a fantastic, almost freakish, rugby player and has to play. I can see the argument for having him at 10 as he is so good that you want to get the ball to him as often and as quickly as possible, but I think I agree with you that the extra space he gets at 15 is perhaps more suited and allied to that, you have a bloody good 10 in Mo'unga to bring a little more control to the game.

A very nice problem to have.

Off to dig a trench and search for my tin hat...

man, i am with you. I got lynched for saying Barrett was a poor 10 but a fantastic rugby player. The Hurricanes faithful are a little sensitive.

I'm actually wondering where @Catogrande has been for the past 12-18 months for the this discussion.

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

who do the neutrals go for this weekend?

My guess:

I don't think Wales will want us in the final if they manage to win (so not neutral anyway)
Saffas aren't generally on our side, but maybe some support as usual from tanned ones
Aussies and Irish will all be conflicted. Probably ABE.
French likely with us (in spite of my comments on here about them and their referees).
Scots with us.
PI's with us (I would hope).

The best bit will the Japanese fans who more than likely will be with us too.

Gonna be fun.

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.

Good enough for me to hedge.

my betting account knows no heart

Come on, surely not??!!! You can't collect on an AB loss, that's just filthy behaviour!

Any oil on the team yet?

Where is the fella that had it right last week ?

We are all expecting no changes, but you never know

@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Any oil on the team yet?

Where is the fella that had it right last week ?

We are all expecting no changes, but you never know

Just a change to the Bench with Todd injured but I guess it will be Tuipoluto?

@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Any oil on the team yet?

Its teflon.

Have they confirmed Cane is OK?

@voodoo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Have they confirmed Cane is OK?

He trained didn't he? It was Read they didn't want to risk in wet weather with a sore leg?

@antipodean yeah true - wasn't sure if they'd commented on Cane's wrist, but if he trained then presumably it's sweet

@mariner4life
Eddie trying, in vain, that we feel more pressure because we want a three-peat whereas the English have no pressure. Says it about three times through the press conference - nice try Eddie, but a weak. I expected better.

@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@mariner4life
Eddie trying, in vain, that we feel more pressure because we want to a three-peat whereas the English have no pressure. Says it about three times through the press conference - nice try Eddie, but a weak. I expected better.

A bit like saying all the pressure is on Tom Brady and the Patriots to win a 7th SB because he's already won 6. Comical

@Bovidae

No wonder Rieko isn't getting picked, Hansen can't even remember his name.

Rico Gear might be a bolter though!

Lots of interesting stuff in there - and maybe a few thing Hansen wants Eddie to hear!

Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

@bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

@bayimports
Ardie does not hit nearly as hard in defence as Cane.

Might also slightly change the way we play because of Ardie not being able to be used on the blind.

@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

If that is the thinking I would have put Ardie on the bench (again) and started Cane.

hasnt it always been if they are carrying a niggle, they start so you can control thier gametime better.

My guess is, they have determined SB suits whatever plan they intend playing v England.

SB probably carries a bit better than Cane does, so expect he's there for that? SB is a good defender, but doesnt make as many tackles and obviously doesnt hit as hard.

No idea of the reasons guys, just passing on the oil. Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

@Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

@bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

It's your right as an All Black supporter

@Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

Bloody Hawkes fans

I'm apoplectic