So Barnes thinks he didn't do much wrong in the 2007 QF apart from miss that forward pass
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He was horrified at the death threats online, burning effigies, and other shit.
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 alone
I assume that he wrote what he did for his autobiography about Henry, McCaw and New Zealand Rugby culture prior to referring the All Blacks in the World Cup Final.
Everyone is entitled to their feelings I guess, but I hope this had absolutely no influence on any of the decisions he made when officiating that game.
@sparky said in Barnes autobiography:
I assume that he wrote what he did for his autobiography about Henry, McCaw and New Zealand Rugby culture prior to referring the All Blacks in the World Cup Final.
Everyone is entitled to their feelings I guess, but I hope this had absolutely no influence on any of the decisions he made when officiating that game.
Just as I hope the abhorrent abuse he and his family were subjected to by South Africans the year previous didn't influence him either...
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
I don’t think he had a bad game in the final by the way.
Bigger issues were the outstanding South African defence and goalkicking and the All Blacks not quite being able to take their chances.
Yep, death threats, burning effigies, abusing family members and booing the ref all are very uncool.
Is it just me or does anyone else think an autobiography from a Rugby referee would be a fucken boring read ?
Most books from players are hard enough to get through as it is.
@sparky said in Barnes autobiography:
@MN5 Nigel Owens’ story is interesting because of all the struggles he’s had with mental health and homophobia, for him to be the best Referee of all time after that speaks volumes for his character.
Fair enough, maybe it would be.
…..and for what its worth I believe that any attack on Barnes whatsoever from internet tough guys is fucken disgraceful.
Whilst I won’t be rushing to the shop to grab his book and I’ll be hoping like fuck it doesn’t end up in my Xmas stocking ( I’ve had years of crappy disappointing sports books ) I still respect the guy for the job he did.
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
Without veering completely off topic I’m sure 99.99999% of them are completely harmless but in any case I’d imagine they’re extremely unpleasant to have to deal with.
…..and there’s always that 0.0001% or whatever the stat is.
@MN5 said in Barnes autobiography:
@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
Without veering completely off topic I’m sure 99.99999% of them are completely harmless but in any case I’d imagine they’re extremely unpleasant to have to deal with.
…..and there’s always that 0.0001% or whatever the stat is.
I'd say you need to be Monica Seles or Jodie Foster level famous to worry.
@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
seem like a easy and pleasant enough conversation to have with your partner, kids or family
"its not like its the taliban....just some people out there...somewhere....that have said i should die....dont know anything more than that but nothing to worry about"
dont know what people complain about now you put it like that
come on, we're not even entertaining the idea its fine because it almost never result in something
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
seem like a easy and pleasant enough conversation to have with your partner, kids or family
"its not like its the taliban....just some people out there...somewhere....that have said i should die....dont know anything more than that but nothing to worry about"
dont know what people complain about now you put it like that
You're talking to the wrong person when it comes to assuaging family fears about danger to one's health.
For all the vile shit on the internet, I'm reminded of the following for a sense of perspective:
ok....didn't "death threats are bad/too far" would get much push back...learn something new every day
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
ok....didn't "death threats are bad/too far" would get much push back...learn something new every day
L2read ffs.
He didn't read Henry's auto "Henry reveals he briefly contemplated match-fixing as the only logical explanation for the All Blacks' upset 20-18 loss" so in the heat of the moment he briefly thought that, but dropped the idea. Barnes "I can forgive someone saying something horrible in the heat of the moment, but he’d had five years to think about it, and an editor must have said to him at some point, ‘Do you really want to write that?"
So something in the heat of the moment, you twat - he should lie in his auto? Estimation gone down one, along with another (as mentioned) for not much else wrong - bollocks, he choked as hard as ABs did
@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
So, in a nutshell “I’m not saying for one minute there was match fixing, but what if there was”?
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
There's every chance it was match fixing. We live in a corrupt world and rugby is not immune. Not saying it was, but I certainly contemplated it given how much of an outlier the complete lack of penalties the ABs way was, especially when you consider they dominated possession and territory. Never seen anything like it before or after. Of course the most likely reason is he was out of his depth and swallowed his whistle a lot earlier than you'd expect (most refs get reluctant in the last 5 minutes of a final, not the last 60...).
