Aussie Pro Rugby

@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

@booboo said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

I didn't look at Gordon and think future superstar. Wonder why they think he's worth so much.

I think it's more of a case of look at the alternatives

JOC may not even make 2027

Quade and presumably Foley are done.

Lynagh has serious injury concerns

Lolesio had a very serious long term injury this year

They dont rate Donaldson/He has never knocked down the door

Edmed has shown very little.

In the other words the cupboard is bare - Carter Gordon was the best realistic option available to them.

So the Wallabies clearly identify their first 5s as an area of concern, yet in Super Rugby they have allowed Carter Gordon to return to the Reds to compete for gametime with other Wallabies First 5 Tom Lynagh while they both probably limit the playing time and development of Harry McLaughlin-Phillips who was looking like being one for the future. To add to it with other signing rumours, Ben Volavola is set to join this group. I can only assume they sought after him as a third first 5 and completed the signing before the news of Carter Gordons return began and when those conversations came they wouldn't say no to signing Gordon.

The problem I see here for Australia rugby is the distribution. Tane Edmed has gone to Brumbies to replace Lolesio and get a fresh start. Declan Meredith will be behind him with potential. Ben Dono is at the force with Max Burey showing exciting from in the recent Super Rugby AU comp. The team that could benefit from any of the four Reds First 5s are the Waratahs. Jack Bowen has potential but not there yet. I don't see much in giving Lawson Creighton minutes when this could be used to give one of the quality Reds boys playing time. I see Debreczeni starting which is again a shame because despite the fact that I rate him as an handy experienced first 5 option in your squad, ideally the four starting super rugby first 5s in Australia should be the four best players competing for that Wallabies jersey. I see these players for 2026 being Gordon, Lynagh, Donaldson, and Edmed, with Burey and McLaughlin-Phillips being the next cabs. None of these players will be taking a share of the 80 minutes played at first 5 for the Waratahs each week, with at least one of these 6 not even featuring in a match day 23.

@KiwiMurph

No brainer (for Australia). They cant afford to take any financial risks at the mo.

I think France barged in on that WC too. Meant to be SA?
Then they got burned, good job.

antipodean

If RA get a slice of the stadium action they'll come out alright. Aussies love turning up to a sporting event.

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Bovidae

Hodgman had been injured a lot this year.

Interesting to read that Liam Wright is also leaving Qld, and maybe Aust, and that seems down to only being offered a reduced RA contract.

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@canefan I wonder how long it will take Campo to burst into life ?

mariner4life

@canefan said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

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Some of the aussies aren't happy with Joe right now

the tide has turned enormously over here in a very short space of time. After the Lions series and that SA win, there were calls for Aus to throw all the money at him to get him to the World Cup.

Now? Joe out Kiss in ASAP

antipodean

@mariner4life said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Joe out Kiss in ASAP

Wallabies supporters wandering calling once again for Joshua to lead them out of the desert to the promised land. And Les isn't the answer - one only has to see how the Reds have underperformed given their squad.

NTA

Choice of coach is totally irrelevant to results for our player base.

BUT some consistency of fail would be nice

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Nepia

@jamsb said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Angus Crichton signing with RA?

For 2027 - so he'll have a Super comp and some tests (if they throw him in) to get up to speed. Seems a tall order.

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Tim

RA is set to lose its best forward over the past few years after the 2027 World Cup on Australian shores. The Australian can reveal Rob Valetini is set to sign a multi-year, multimillion-dollar deal in Japan. It’s believed the bruising back-rower will find his way to Kubota, just outside Tokyo, who have Bernard Foley and Malcolm Marx on their books.

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mariner4life

Wallaby fans have had a glimpse in to the Les Kiss future and they do not like what they see.

antipodean

Les won't even manage to become the first host nation to be kicked out before the finals.

Ignominiously mediocre is what they appear to be aspiring to. It's unfathomable that he was selected as the replacement for Joe Schmidt. McLennan has an awful lot to answer for

Perhaps he's the NRL's secret agent.

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booboo

@mariner4life said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Wallaby fans have had a glimpse in to the Les Kiss future and they do not like what they see.

Whingey, histrionic, mediocre coach with victimhood syndrome?

Should have stuck with Cheika.

And you posted this before Friday's game against the Chiefs.

KiwiMurph

@booboo said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Whingey, histrionic, mediocre coach with victimhood syndrome?

Huh? Les Kiss' quotes after the match don't seem that bad

booboo

@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

@booboo said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Whingey, histrionic, mediocre coach with victimhood syndrome?

Huh? Les Kiss' quotes after the match don't seem that bad

Did you watch the vision in the coaches box?

I'll give him credit for not going feral in the press conference (and no I didn't), but compared to Cheiks it's not exactly a compliment.

@booboo

had a close up experience (close enough for audio) of the Reds coaching crew at a game, end of last season
thought kiss was very cool calm and collected
but his assistants!
complete bunch of ferals!
spose he can be held responsible for that sort of vibe

nonpartizan

I'm assuming this is the right place to ask the question -

Why are the Aussie women 7s so good but the 15s so underwhelming? I don't pay close attention to the women's game (but do watch bf test matches) so I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on it.

@nonpartizan said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Why are the Aussie women 7s so good but the 15s so underwhelming

The programs are run entirely separately.
And as the 7's have had success (olympics) they get more money.

The programs are to be merged, expect a big effort to get competitive for RWC 29 (in Aus).

Duluth

@nonpartizan said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

Why are the Aussie women 7s so good but the 15s so underwhelming? I don't pay close attention to the women's game (but do watch bf test matches) so I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on it.

Not something I follow either but I know the Aussie womens sevens program recruited from a variety of sports (athletics, hockey etc). Basically taking athletes and teaching them how to play the short version of the game

That might help explain why the 7s fortunes are independent of the XVs health?

Nepia

@antipodean said in Aussie Pro Rugby:

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How much of this actually true and how much is just whinging?

A quick wiki of Lemoto and he's played for Aussie at age group rugby, so he's hardly been overlooked.

Also, a whole team of league players enter a comp and do well and it's somehow Oz rugby's fault that they haven't been on rugby's radar?