@cyclops i feel really sorry for a lot of these top QB prospects. They come out of College, get drafted by dogshit teams who are generally dogshit for a reason. They have enormous and immediate pressure to turn the entire place around by themselves. And they are supposed to do this with a paper thin o-line, receivers who can't get separation, and a coaching staff who don't have a lot of a clue.
Then, when for mysterious reason they don't start winning games, they get traded with the word "bust" next to their names, as you say with a bunch of bad habits that come from getting your ass beat week after week.
The same shit side drafts the next unicorn, and the cycle starts again.
@mariner4life That's basically Alex Smith's first 6 years in the league to a tee.
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@cyclops i feel really sorry for a lot of these top QB prospects. They come out of College, get drafted by dogshit teams who are generally dogshit for a reason. They have enormous and immediate pressure to turn the entire place around by themselves. And they are supposed to do this with a paper thin o-line, receivers who can't get separation, and a coaching staff who don't have a lot of a clue.
Then, when for mysterious reason they don't start winning games, they get traded with the word "bust" next to their names, as you say with a bunch of bad habits that come from getting your ass beat week after week.
The same shit side drafts the next unicorn, and the cycle starts again.
The 9ers QB selection will not have those concerns. He will have a very good QB centric coach in Shanahan, and the luxury of sitting and learning behind Jimmy G. Jones feels like the least desirable option on the surface. They will take him if Shanahan values his system over the natural athletic ability of the player
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@mariner4life That's basically Alex Smith's first 6 years in the league to a tee.
We will never know how Aaron Rodgers would have gone if the 8ers actually picked him. I think they did him a favour passing on him
Massive decision coming. It would appear that one way or another the 49ers have a couple of outstanding people informing that choice
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@canefan the word is it's down to Mac Jones and Trey Lance with Mac Jones the heavy favourite.
The fans won't be pleased with Jones. But what do they know? Doesn't look athletic. Only time will tell
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@canefan I'm good with Jones. I reckon he's underrated as hell and a perfect system fit for Shanahan's offense.
He looks like Tom Brady when he was drafted. Whether that means anything
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@canefan I'm good with Jones. I reckon he's underrated as hell and a perfect system fit for Shanahan's offense.
The thing with Mac Jones is that that Alabama offense is stacked. Waddle and Devonta Smith. Najee Harris. A stacked OL (2 guys projected to go in the 2nd and one in the 3rd). There's a bit of chicken and egg about whether it's him or them, but I think it's pretty clearly more them that him and I think he's going to struggle without two WRs who aren't favourites against any cb1, an rb who is at worst the second best in the league and when his ol isn't winning with the consistency that the Tide's does.
Plus Surtain & Barmore on the other side of the ball, also first round prospects. So he would be facing much more short fields, far fewer high pressure 4th quarter drives etc.
None of that says he can't succeed in the NFL, I just think it lengthens his odds. If they've really traded up from 12 for him that's a poor call, because I think they could have got him at 6 for a lower price, and probably stood at 12 and got him. Realistically the price they've paid to trade up makes me pretty confident they're taking Fields or Wilson if we get a brownsesque last minute change.
All than said, I have this weird feeling that the Jags are going to go Fields at one. No evidence or reason, and almost definitely wrong, but just a feeling I can't shake.
Kyle Shanahan was a big fan of Kirk Cousins. So he isn't necessarily a guy seduced by pure athlete. So him picking Jones over the longer shot physical specimen Lance won't be a surprise. But right now Mahomes is the best QB in the league. Watson is right up there too. It seems like the strong run and gun QB is ascendant right now
@cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@canefan the best QB not named Lawrence will go to the Jets at 2 (Zach Wilson).
The good news for the 49ers is there are still QB options at 3. A lot more than at 12.
I'm pretty convinced Taylor will be a bust. The level of competition he's played against in college is so low that it's basically irrelevant, and the only game he played against a half decent team he was exposed. I'd much rather have Fields.
Lance is an exciting prospect but has played so little he's all prospect. The Saleh connection presumably means that the 49ers have an idea of what the jets will be doing. QB is the most obvious and likely choice but there's a chance of a trade down particularly if the Panthers or even the Falcons decide to sell the farm to jump the 49ers.
The jets are at least one more draft and off season away from being genuine contenders so getting a QB now risks a repeat of the Sam Darnold show where a QB gets terrible habits from having no protection and no weapons.
Wow paragraph #1 sounds exactly like the football chat on Fox Sports Radio this morning!
Lawrence is going 1. The only reason Urban Meyer took the job was cos of Lawrence. Lawrence has already committed to donating to Jacksonville charities.
As for Mac - i'm talking about the tape. Watch his footwork. Watch his movement in the pocket. Watch how he is an anticipatory thrower (i.e. he throws players open rather than needing the player to be open before he throws it). He had less talent around him than Tua had the prior season and yet he outperformed Tua.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
Lawrence is going 1. The only reason Urban Meyer took the job was cos of Lawrence. Lawrence has already committed to donating to Jacksonville charities.
As for Mac - i'm talking about the tape. Watch his footwork. Watch his movement in the pocket. Watch how he is an anticipatory thrower (i.e. he throws players open rather than needing the player to be open before he throws it). He had less talent around him than Tua had the prior season and yet he outperformed Tua.
9ers fans are in the Shanahan's hands. Kyle has proven he can coach, he will back his ability to coach up whoever they pick
49ers had a press conference this morning - they were roasted with questions about how the fanbase hates Mac Jones.
49ers were very defensive about not caring what fans/outside noise thinks. Either 49ers are picking Mac Jones or this is the biggest smoke screen ever.
Also - expect Jimmy G to be traded this weekend - it sure sounded like he's gone. I'd watch out for Washington to perhaps trade for him - their new GM just came from SF.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
49ers had a press conference this morning - they were roasted with questions about how the fanbase hates Mac Jones.
49ers were very defensive about not caring what fans/outside noise thinks. Either 49ers are picking Mac Jones or this is the biggest smoke screen ever.
Also - expect Jimmy G to be traded this weekend - it sure sounded like he's gone. I'd watch out for Washington to perhaps trade for him - their new GM just came from SF.
Would be safer to pick someone and have him sit behind Jimmy for a year. Will be massive pressure if they pick Jones and he is made to start immediately
The Broncos traded for Teddy Bridgewater....
yay...
he's basically free (6th round pick and like $3M) but even still. To me this means they are well aware that Lock is not the guy.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
Let the Draft Day craziness begin.
How can the 9ers swap Jimmy G for Rodgers? Do it!
yes!! i have heard all sorts of rumours about Rodgers not starting next season in a cheese helmet. You have to sign him if you have a chance, but he's gotta be tough to work with. Great player, shit team mate
Been watching old draft videos on the NFL's Insta page. It's fucking great seeing these kids as they get signed. Watched a good one with JuJu Smith-Schuster before. The Steelers got him at pick 62! bargain
Also, even weirder than Rodgers wanting out, i saw a post that Tim Tebow will head to the Jags. As a tightend. Now, i reckon he should have pivoted to TW as soon as it became apparent he wasn't going to make it as a QB. Big guy, good feet. But that was 10 years ago! How come Kap can't get a gig again?
@mariner4life well Tebow played under Jags coach Urban Meyer at college. That's the only reason this is even a chance of happening.
And Fields slide begins. I wish the jets had picked him but Wilson is qb now so here's hoping he can adjust to the higher talent level in the NFL.
God I hope the pats don't manage to get Fields.
@cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21:
And Fields slide begins. I wish the jets had picked him but Wilson is qb now so here's hoping he can adjust to the higher talent level in the NFL.
God I hope the pats don't manage to get Fields.
i have read a bunch that the Broncos are hoping he's still on the Board at 9
@nzzp said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@cyclops Trey Lance at 3 to the 49ers? From North Dakota State ... after 1 game.
Wow, that's some brain bending shit. Hope they know what they're doing
1 game? He played the entire year before.
Kyle swings for the fences and doesn't pick a traditional Shanahan QB. Exciting.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@nzzp said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@cyclops Trey Lance at 3 to the 49ers? From North Dakota State ... after 1 game.
Wow, that's some brain bending shit. Hope they know what they're doing
1 game? He played the entire year before.
spot on, my bad ... misread an online comment. Should have been 1 game this season
@mariner4life There's no huge defensive star in this class.
There's still another gun WR out there from Alabama who won the Heisman Trophy this year.
interesting the Lions went with protection for their big QB signing rather than someone to throw to
Horn is the best cornerback in the class. Son of Joe Horn who carved at receiver for Saints back in the day.
@mariner4life defensive head coach.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:
@mariner4life defensive head coach.
who should be shot
is it too late to get Elway back in the FO?
i am pretty fucking pissed
I rated Fields the 2nd best QB in the draft. And he was right there. Right fucking there. And we took a CB. Our defense is already not bad. Our O-line is good. Our run is not bad. we have great receivers. We have 2 shit quarterbacks.
so we draft a fucking CB first.
deadset.
@cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21:
Fields is going to end up at the pats and it's going to be a second evil empire.
which makes me even angrier
Oh but now the bears are trading up! Maybe they'll grab him.