@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
Hope Dallas do something, they're my team until they get bundled out and I support the Lakers finishing fast.
@ACT-Crusader As for Steph and the Warriors, I used to love them. And I still love Klay. But they way Steph recruited KD, and the fact that a few injuries mean they get a #2 pick, I can't get behind them anymore. They've changed...
uuuuummmmmm
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
Hope Dallas do something, they're my team until they get bundled out and I support the Lakers finishing fast.
@ACT-Crusader As for Steph and the Warriors, I used to love them. And I still love Klay. But they way Steph recruited KD, and the fact that a few injuries mean they get a #2 pick, I can't get behind them anymore. They've changed...uuuuummmmmm
What dont you get there? The Warriors were NBA finalists in 2016 without KD and they only lost because of Draymonds nut-punch.
To bring back the same team but recruit KD is a joke and a blight on Curry's legacy. They go on to have an unstoppable team for 2yrs (no shit) and KD gets 2 x Finals MVPs that really could have been Steph's if KD never came.
Lebron built a team and recruited AD sure, but the Lakers were absolutely not a superpower without AD.
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
Hope Dallas do something, they're my team until they get bundled out and I support the Lakers finishing fast.
@ACT-Crusader As for Steph and the Warriors, I used to love them. And I still love Klay. But they way Steph recruited KD, and the fact that a few injuries mean they get a #2 pick, I can't get behind them anymore. They've changed...uuuuummmmmm
What dont you get there? The Warriors were NBA finalists in 2016 without KD and they only lost because of Draymonds nut-punch.
To bring back the same team but recruit KD is a joke and a blight on Curry's legacy. They go on to have an unstoppable team for 2yrs (no shit) and KD gets 2 x Finals MVPs that really could have been Steph's if KD never came.
Lebron built a team and recruited AD sure, but the Lakers were absolutely not a superpower without AD.
you fucking LBJ stans will say anything to justify your bullshit
yeah, he did stuff, but not as bad as those guys!!
also, the over use of the word "legacy" with regards to the NBA is fucking stupid.
LeBron tried to get Kawhi to go with AD - but because he was unsuccessful and Kawhi went to the Clippers somehow that makes it ok?
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
Hope Dallas do something, they're my team until they get bundled out and I support the Lakers finishing fast.
@ACT-Crusader As for Steph and the Warriors, I used to love them. And I still love Klay. But they way Steph recruited KD, and the fact that a few injuries mean they get a #2 pick, I can't get behind them anymore. They've changed...uuuuummmmmm
What dont you get there? The Warriors were NBA finalists in 2016 without KD and they only lost because of Draymonds nut-punch.
To bring back the same team but recruit KD is a joke and a blight on Curry's legacy. They go on to have an unstoppable team for 2yrs (no shit) and KD gets 2 x Finals MVPs that really could have been Steph's if KD never came.
Lebron built a team and recruited AD sure, but the Lakers were absolutely not a superpower without AD.
you fucking LBJ stans will say anything to justify your bullshit
yeah, he did stuff, but not as bad as those guys!!
also, the over use of the word "legacy" with regards to the NBA is fucking stupid.
So tell me how it's the same then?
Lebron building a team is the same as Kawhi, or KD and Kyrie getting together. Player power, influence over the front office. But not taking a NBA finalist and adding one of the 3 best guys in the league!
Christ, you call out Lebron apologists, imagine if Lebron had recruited KD to the Cavs in 2017! The Lebron haters would be calling for him to be castrated.
Curry was fucking limp, and so was KD for going there. Going to Brooklyn to try and build something is much cooler.
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan. You can bet that all the greats absolutely care about their legacy. You don't really get it in other sports, the constant ranking of guys across different eras into lists, the statistical comparisons, the value put on various player awards and titles.
@KiwiMurph said in NBA Season 20/21:
LeBron tried to get Kawhi to go with AD - but because he was unsuccessful and Kawhi went to the Clippers somehow that makes it ok?
Fake news 
But yeah, would have been disgusting if they'd landed all 3. No idea how they could have actually fielded a full team though with those 3 guys
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
apologist and gatekeeping in one post. solid.
No, i don't see it as any worse than, say, the Heatles. Or begging to trade your entire team to get one of the 5 best in the league. And still trying to get others.
Also, i don't care, because i really only care about the Spurs. And we used to have a great team. And now we don't. And it looks like we are heading for a rebuild, because i read a DdR to the Lakers story the other day (i would trade him for the right price).
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
apologist and gatekeeping in one post. solid.
No, i don't see it as any worse than, say, the Heatles. Or begging to trade your entire team to get one of the 5 best in the league. And still trying to get others.
Also, i don't care, because i really only care about the Spurs. And we used to have a great team. And now we don't. And it looks like we are heading for a rebuild, because i read a DdR to the Lakers story the other day (i would trade him for the right price).
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.
Ddr for who? Lakers don't have many pieces to trade!
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
apologist and gatekeeping in one post. solid.
No, i don't see it as any worse than, say, the Heatles. Or begging to trade your entire team to get one of the 5 best in the league. And still trying to get others.
Also, i don't care, because i really only care about the Spurs. And we used to have a great team. And now we don't. And it looks like we are heading for a rebuild, because i read a DdR to the Lakers story the other day (i would trade him for the right price).
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.
Ddr for who? Lakers don't have many pieces to trade!
the bits coming the other way were a bit shit, so hopefully the story was bullshit. DDR would need to get traded for picks IMO.
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit**. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.**
I find it odd that you don't think any of us are capable in assessing a trade outside our personal personal preferences. Because I absolutely LOVED Curry. Still really like him. Was just gutted when he recruited KD. I also loved that team before KD. Klay is one of my all time favs, I loved Iggy, Bogut, even Draymond was less of a fuckwit.
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
apologist and gatekeeping in one post. solid.
No, i don't see it as any worse than, say, the Heatles. Or begging to trade your entire team to get one of the 5 best in the league. And still trying to get others.
Also, i don't care, because i really only care about the Spurs. And we used to have a great team. And now we don't. And it looks like we are heading for a rebuild, because i read a DdR to the Lakers story the other day (i would trade him for the right price).
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.
Ddr for who? Lakers don't have many pieces to trade!
the bits coming the other way were a bit shit, so hopefully the story was bullshit. DDR would need to get traded for picks IMO.
Surely LAs picks wouldn't be great, especially if they related to the next couple of years?
Only Kuzma would have real value for the Spurs, maybe Caruso too. But the salaries are miles off matching. They wpuld have needed to retain Green to throw in I think to make the salaries work.
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit**. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.**
I find it odd that you don't think any of us are capable in assessing a trade outside our personal personal preferences. Because I absolutely LOVED Curry. Still really like him. Was just gutted when he recruited KD. I also loved that team before KD. Klay is one of my all time favs, I loved Iggy, Bogut, even Draymond was less of a fuckwit.
so, for all that, why the hate for getting a good player? I don't get it. All those guys were still there. A good team did what any good organisation does, and gets the best players available. I've never understood why people have hated them for doing what they would absolutely love their team to do. Build from the draft, play unbelievable basketball, trade in the best players available, and win rings.
I really enjoyed watching that Warriors team play. A team full of very good players (and two absolute superstars) still playing team-orientated basketball, sharing the rock and moving for each other. Great to watch.
I like Curry, seems like a very good dude. And, from what i see, very unassuming for one of the very best in the world. I really hope he comes back and plays well this year
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
And if you don't care about legacy, you're not a true fan
This is the player power era. Super teams are going to happen every year. I don't give a shit**. I just find it hilarious that a person's perception of the trade is based on who they like and who they don't like. And who they beat in the process.**
I find it odd that you don't think any of us are capable in assessing a trade outside our personal personal preferences. Because I absolutely LOVED Curry. Still really like him. Was just gutted when he recruited KD. I also loved that team before KD. Klay is one of my all time favs, I loved Iggy, Bogut, even Draymond was less of a fuckwit.
so, for all that, why the hate for getting a good player? I don't get it. All those guys were still there. A good team did what any good organisation does, and gets the best players available. I've never understood why people have hated them for doing what they would absolutely love their team to do. Build from the draft, play unbelievable basketball, trade in the best players available, and win rings.
I really enjoyed watching that Warriors team play. A team full of very good players (and two absolute superstars) still playing team-orientated basketball, sharing the rock and moving for each other. Great to watch.
I like Curry, seems like a very good dude. And, from what i see, very unassuming for one of the very best in the world. I really hope he comes back and plays well this year
It was great basketball, I agree with that. But boy was it unfair. I just dislike seeing a team so far ahead of all opposition that the competition becomes a forgone conclusion.
I actually dont mind GSW at all now, Draymond is a bit more of a fuckwit, though his TV is pretty funny. And I certainly have respect for their front office. And I still like the way they play. As I mentioned at some point, the draft rules annoy me because I dont they deserved the #2 pick, but that's not their fault entirely.
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo āunfairā in that the Cavs with their 2 stars plus a 20/10 guy and a bunch of supporting cast pieces were also in the NBA finals?
Iāll give KD credit, he did get his GM to cry on international TV for him
Unless you get an "open letter" about you, published on the internet, and written in comic sans, you're just an amateur...
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
i keep reading it's more likely Simmons out the door?
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
i keep reading it's more likely Simmons out the door?
Maybe, but that's a lopsided trade - incredible for Philly, but a shocker for Houston. Imagine playing Rusty and Simmons together, the spacing would be non-existent
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
i keep reading it's more likely Simmons out the door?
Maybe, but that's a lopsided trade - incredible for Philly, but a shocker for Houston. Imagine playing Rusty and Simmons together, the spacing would be non-existent
at least with Simmons it will end their overreliance on the 3...
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
i keep reading it's more likely Simmons out the door?
Maybe, but that's a lopsided trade - incredible for Philly, but a shocker for Houston. Imagine playing Rusty and Simmons together, the spacing would be non-existent
at least with Simmons it will end their overreliance on the 3...
Or even mid range jump shots
I managed to make a Harden trade work with Horford and Mike Scott (who?)
Doesn't seem that equitable though...
Cant find a single combination that works with Harden and Simmons, even this 8 dude trade for him screws it up
@mariner4life check out Hollingers expected win/loss, Philly +10, Houston -15 
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
Blasphemy...
Harden is gone and thereās only a couple of options that have the space and who Harden will entertain. Would love the Philly trade for Harden. The Nets option Iām not a fan of. For the betterment of the NBA, DāAntoni and Harden need to be split up
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
Blasphemy...
Harden is gone and thereās only a couple of options that have the space and who Harden will entertain. Would love the Philly trade for Harden. The Nets option Iām not a fan of. For the betterment of the NBA, DāAntoni and Harden need to be split up
I don't want him to go to the Nets because it will ultimately result in Sean Marks losing his job! I'm not convinced Harden can be more than a statistical scoring success. Can he headline a championship team? If he can it won't be Brooklyn. Too many negative vibes and only one rock
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
Blasphemy...
Harden is gone and thereās only a couple of options that have the space and who Harden will entertain. Would love the Philly trade for Harden. The Nets option Iām not a fan of. For the betterment of the NBA, DāAntoni and Harden need to be split up
Sorry, I should have been clear, its just a 4 person whatsapp chat. It means nothing to me, honestly. I must have been drunk when I joined it! 
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
Blasphemy...
Harden is gone and thereās only a couple of options that have the space and who Harden will entertain. Would love the Philly trade for Harden. The Nets option Iām not a fan of. For the betterment of the NBA, DāAntoni and Harden need to be split up
Can he headline a championship team?
Probably not. So Brooklyn could be the right place then. All 3 players would have to make adjustments which is possible given all of them have a point to prove in different senses.
KD - winning away from GS
Kyrie - staying fit, overcoming Celtics debacle and winning without Lebron
Harden - wants that chip
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
the more i read, the more i want Harden to the Nets to happen. It would be delicious, and the ratings would be enormous
I just said exactly that on another discussion forum. They could be absolutely anything, and it will be great to watch either way.
If it doesn't happen, Harden for Embiid would be great too
Blasphemy...
Harden is gone and thereās only a couple of options that have the space and who Harden will entertain. Would love the Philly trade for Harden. The Nets option Iām not a fan of. For the betterment of the NBA, DāAntoni and Harden need to be split up
Can he headline a championship team?
Probably not. So Brooklyn could be the right place then. All 3 players would have to make adjustments which is possible given all of them have a point to prove in different senses.
KD - winning away from GS
Kyrie - staying fit, overcoming Celtics debacle and winning without Lebron
Harden - wants that chip
Do they have any big men?
If they can hang on to Jarrett Allen, he could provide good support. I think I read that DeAndre is on the move?
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan KD is like 27 feet tall
He's a great player. But is he going to do the grunt work down low? Probably not. I guess you could argue that GS did it without a legitimate big man (sorry Andrew, Ja Vale and Co.), but who else has done it? The Clippers? The Rockets? The Cavs had LBJ so all bets are off
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan of course he's not. those stick thin ankles own't handle it
plus it's a waste of a freaky talent
Alongside Lebron he is the most capable player in the NBA today of getting any shot he wants
Harden is tricky to shoehorn in. He is a ball dominant shooting guard, who doesn't seem keen to get engaged off the ball when he doesn't have possession. Can play defence if he is in the mood but not known for it. He needs a big man and shooters around him. Kind of what he had pre-micro ball in HOU but with higher quality players. He loves the 3 too much for my liking, and I don't like his general aesthetic and the way he generates fouls
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
Harden is tricky to shoehorn in. He is a ball dominant shooting guard, who doesn't seem keen to get engaged off the ball when he doesn't have possession. Can play defence if he is in the mood but not known for it. He needs a big man and shooters around him. Kind of what he had pre-micro ball in HOU but with higher quality players. He loves the 3 too much for my liking, and I don't like his general aesthetic and the way he generates fouls
Kyrie and Harden are very similar players. Hybrid guards that really are score first options. Yeah Harden gets assists but if you look at a lot of them they are kick out to 3-ball shooters when the defence collapses. He used to run a lot of pick n roll with Capella but that was it.
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
Harden is tricky to shoehorn in. He is a ball dominant shooting guard, who doesn't seem keen to get engaged off the ball when he doesn't have possession. Can play defence if he is in the mood but not known for it. He needs a big man and shooters around him. Kind of what he had pre-micro ball in HOU but with higher quality players. He loves the 3 too much for my liking, and I don't like his general aesthetic and the way he generates fouls
Kyrie and Harden are very similar players. Hybrid guards that really are score first options. Yeah Harden gets assists but if you look at a lot of them they are kick out to 3-ball shooters when the defence collapses. He used to run a lot of pick n roll with Capella but that was it.
Thats why Marks would be wise not to go for him. I just can't see where he fits well, certainly no teams that are close to contention anyway
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
Harden is tricky to shoehorn in. He is a ball dominant shooting guard, who doesn't seem keen to get engaged off the ball when he doesn't have possession. Can play defence if he is in the mood but not known for it. He needs a big man and shooters around him. Kind of what he had pre-micro ball in HOU but with higher quality players. He loves the 3 too much for my liking, and I don't like his general aesthetic and the way he generates fouls
Kyrie and Harden are very similar players. Hybrid guards that really are score first options. Yeah Harden gets assists but if you look at a lot of them they are kick out to 3-ball shooters when the defence collapses. He used to run a lot of pick n roll with Capella but that was it.
Thats why Marks would be wise not to go for him. I just can't see where he fits well, certainly no teams that are close to contention anyway
The thing about todayās NBA itās really a game of creating mismatches and exploiting them. So the more options you have that can do that the better chance you are. Kyrie and Harden are in the top 10 in that regard and KD in the top 3!
