<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="581457" data-time="1463831638"><p>Parker wins but it sounds unconvincing. He is still young but I think he should take on a few more guys at Takam's level before Joshua.</p></blockquote><br>the interesting part, joshua has a world title , and hasnt fought anyone as good as Takam
Wasn't as convincing as its been made out on here, even Kevin barry said it was 50:50 at the end of the fight. <br><br>
I reckon the look on the faces of his corner said it all. Look at Bryan Barry's face, he thought he'd lost. <br><br>
I kinda feel sorry for Takam, but he knew the risk coming to NZ and as a 35 year old should have known to try take Parker out. <br><br>
Still a great fight, and Parker showed great heart.... And he now knows what it's really about
takam showed why he has a reputation as a guy to avoid , very awkward , and a great chin ,<br><br>it was perfect for Joe , he needed a tough battle
<p>Good boxing match. No sport matches the sweet science of boxing when it is fought at a high calibre - the different components that need to work makes it still the best to watch despite what the naysayers say.</p>
<p>Haven't watched many Parker fights but watched this one with the international (British) commentary instead of the homer Kiwi one. Some interesting takes were:</p>
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<p>- Parker has some big, although not major, defensive flaws in his game which will get him into trouble against the fighters at the top of the rankings.</p>
<p>- Parker looked gone in the mid-rounds, especially round 6, when Takam made his move to knock him out but he found ways around his defensive flaws to survive.</p>
<p>- Takam was the real deal but a poor strategy cost him as he tried to overwhelm Parker but only in short spurts.</p>
<p>- Parker was happy to change his style and strategy when things weren't working and that ultimately got him across the line.</p>
<p>- Parker's jab, especially his defensive jab, is impressive. Takam tried to overwhelm Parker again in the later rounds but was stopped by 3 or 4 quick power jabs each time.</p>
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<p>The commentators said Parker had proven he wasn't a pretender and even the Pommy panel agreed afterwards. One was fighter Dillian Whyte who bragged he could knock both Parker and Takam out, although I think he would struggle with Takam too. All agreed Anthony Joshua has yet to fight someone of Takam's calibre (even Whyte nodded and he lost to Joshua).</p>
Not a bad fight by Joe. Takam was always going to be a very tough ask and it sure was a test for him which he passed but not with flying colours. Got tagged way too much but proved he has a decent chin on him.<br><br>
They will take a lot from this fight as there is clearly lot of work to do before fighting Joshua.
<p>I'm just glad Parker is doing this properly - working his way up, fighting better quality each time, learning and improving. Analysing the footage of this fight will hopefully help identify the technical flaws to work on.</p>
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<p>At no time has he embarrassed himself or been an all-talk dick, which is promising for the future.</p>
That Takam is certainly solid as a rock. Watching the replays and he took some hard hits that would have floored many others. <br>
Parkers hand speed when his throws combos is often too hard to even see in real time. You only realise afterwards and wonder what happened. <br>
Good to have those flaws exposed too. Better during a win than when it's too late.
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<div>At no time has he embarrassed himself or been an all-talk dick, which is promising for the future.</div>
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<p>That is left to Lonergan - the stereotypical loud-mouth promoter. But I agree, Parker seems humble and level-headed.</p>
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<p>For those that watched the fight, did Parker work the body as was indicated in the pre-fight comments?</p>
<p>Full fight is on youtube.</p>
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<p>Parker admitted afterwards that he kept going for the head too much even though the plan was to work Takam over on the body.</p>
<p>He did get some good body shots in though.</p>
<p>Congratulations to Parker, he got past a very very VERY difficult opponent.</p>
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<p>This fight proved a boxer should be developed gradually rather than be just thrown in the deep end against a well rounded and experienced fighter. I would dare say this, if Takam had the knockout power of heavyweights like Joshua or Wilder im convinced Parker would of been knocked out. Parker was gassed from the fifth round and lost his punching power. He edged Takam in the crucial rounds due to Takams lack of activity and essentially allowed himself to take a barrage of hits that you simply can no do against a true banger in this division.</p>
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<p>Lets look at the answers we got from the fight in regards to Parker - as he did pass the acid test!<br><br><u>Positives</u></p>
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<p>- Parker has close to if not the best hand speed in the division, an attribute that will steal him rounds if he lives behind that jab</p>
<p>- Parker has huge heart, he was certainly gassed from the fifth round onwards but just dug deep to find the strength to make it to the 12th round .<br>
- Parker fired back under pressure. At many times when Takam was on him loading up, Parker responded blow to blow, to do that showed us when his back is against the wall he doesnt quit, probably the most important attribute a boxer can have. I think Takam took Parker to some dark places in that fight and Parker responded in heart.</p>
<p>- Parker can take a shot, he has a solid chin against the level of fighter Takam represents as a top 10/gate keeper of the division.</p>
<p>- Parker found a 2nd wind to compose himself at the end. This took a ton of grit to discover.</p>
<p>- Parker is only 24 years old and stepped up a long way to fight a battle hardened and very composed Takam. Fights like this can create future champions. This is a fight most fighter would avoid in this division.</p>
<p>- What Parker and his trainer would of learned from this fight is invaluable. They have plenty to work on to make Parker a more complete fighter now.</p>
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<p><u>Negatives</u></p>
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<p>- This was not a highlight reels fight for Parker. Takam was manhandling Parker several times during the fight, it was so bad that if Takam had the power of a Haye, Joshua, Wilder or Ortiz im utterly convince Parker would of been knocked out.</p>
<p>- Parkers defense under pressure was horrid, he would be exposed by higher ranked fighters. He made it to the end of the fight due to Takam not having ko power in his hands and Parker having a decent enough chin. But make no mistake, Parker allowed himself to take to many shots because he was so tired. Against a boxer like Ortiz, Haye, Wilder and AJ this would of been a KO loss.</p>
<p>- Parker was throwing many slap shots with his right hand, most landing with the inside of his glove, thats horrible and amateur level stuff.</p>
<p>- Parker does not have the punching power we though he had. It was missing and dare say while his hand speed is close to the best in the heaveyweight division his power has been overated.</p>
<p>- Parker looked disorganised, as soon as he was gassed, most structure went out the window, and unto a late 2nd wind at the end parker was gettibg by on heart alone and a chin that could take what Takam threw.</p>
<p>- Parker is always open to counters, to being crowded and hustled and his footwork poor.</p>
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<p>So how does this stack up heading into the future and a probable fight in November on the undercard for Joshua. Im convinced they are going to put Parker in with Dillian Whyte. They are going to have him replicate what Joshua did before his Martin fight to set up a future pay per view. Below is a unbiased ranking of the heavyweights, bolded are fighters much more dangerous than Takam that Parker would be wise to avoid for a couple of years and simply develop and target an 18month fight against Joshua. There is not to many of them which is great for Parker. Just take the time to develop him now. His defense needs major work and there is simply no need to rush him after surviving that Takam scare.<br><br>
- T. Fury 25-0(18) WBA (Super), WBO, IBO, Ring, Lineal<br>
- W. Klitschko 64-4(53)<br><strong>3. A. Povektin 30-1(22)</strong><br><strong>4. D. Wilder 36-0(35) WBC</strong><br><strong>5. A. Joshua 16-0(16) IBF</strong><br>
- K. Pulev 23-1(12) EBU<br><strong>7. L. Ortiz 25-0(22) WBA (Interim)</strong><br>
- J. Parker 19-0(16)<br><strong>9. D. Haye 28-2(26)</strong><br>
- M. Scott 38-2-1(13)<br>
- J. Duahpas 34-2-1(21) WBC Silver<br>
- E. Teper 15-0(10)<br>
- C. Martin 23-1-1(21)<br>
- V. Glazkov 21-1-1(13)<br>
- D. Breazeale 17-0(15) WBC Americas<br>
- B. Jennings 19-2(10)<br>
- R. Chagaev 34-2-1(21)<br>
- A. Tarver 31-6(22)<br>
- B. Stiverne 25-2-1(21)<br>
- C. Takam 33-3-1(25)<br>
- D. Chisora 25-6(17)<br>
- L. Browne 23-0(20)<br>
- G. Washington 17-0-1(11)<br>
- M. Perez 21-2-1(13)<br>
- A. Spzilika 20-2(15)<br>
- T. Thompson 40-7(27)<br>
- E. Molina 25-3(19) IBF Intercontinental<br>
- J. Miller 16-0-1(14) WBA NABA<br>
- A. Mansour 22-2-1(16)<br>
- R. Helenius 22-1(13)<br>
- A. Ruiz 27-0(18)<br>
- A. Fedosov 28-3(23)<br>
- C. Hammer 19-4(10)<br>
- A. Unistov 33-1(24) WBA International<br>
- H. Fury 20-0(11) WBO Intercontinental<br>
- T. Bryan 16-0(11)<br>
- C. Arreola 36-4-1(31)<br>
- D. Rossy 30-11(14)<br>
- M. Wach 31-2(17)<br>
- S. Briggs 60-6-1(53)</p>
Thanks mtm. My knowledge of boxing is limited to the fact that there are two blokes trying to hit each other. But I've jumped the bandwagon :).<br><br>
You mention Whyte as a potential opponent but I can't see him on that list?
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<p>Thanks mtm. My knowledge of boxing is limited to the fact that there are two blokes trying to hit each other. But I've jumped the bandwagon :).<br><br>
You mention Whyte as a potential opponent but I can't see him on that list?</p>
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<p>Whyte is unranked in most divisions, I think he'd struggle to be a current top 40 fighter but I see the UK media shaping a Whyte vs Parker fight already. Meaning Hern would of organized Whyte to be interviewed and on SKY tv UK trashing parker for a potential November showdown introducing Parker to the British public. Whyte is fresh in the public's mind due to his recent ko loss at the hands of Joshua. And id dare say he has a fight left for PPV on his contract with Hern</p>
Good post M T M , <br><br>
I was worried about this fight before , was aware of Joes defensive flaws , and wasn't sure about his chin . <br><br>
What was concerns me , we know about joes power , but when he unleashes those powerful combos , it really does empty his tank , that was not a concern against the lesser fighters . <br><br>
But Takam showed the better fighters won't drop as easy . And if Joe paces himself to go the distance he becomes a less intimidating prospect , there is a balancing act somewhere for them to work out .
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<p>Yeah big lessons to be learnt from that passage where he unleashed on Takam and Takam didn't go do down but instead managed to throw a couple back. How is Joshua's chin? Would he have withstood that?</p>
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<p>He got rocked very easily in round 2 against Dillan Whyte, the only time someone has thrown a punch back at him. Unfortunately for Whyte he was too slow to realise and Joshua got away with it. </p>
<p>some interesting callers on Talkback this morning...some saying it was fixed, some saying Takam shoulda won and some obviously thinking it went to JP as the scores did.</p>
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<p>Apparently Lonergan is gonna look at legal action against illegal streams of the fight, upto 20,000 people watched via 1 apparently</p>
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="581528" data-time="1463877773"><p>some interesting callers on Talkback this morning...some saying it was fixed, some saying Takam shoulda won and some obviously thinking it went to JP</p></blockquote>
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Talkback eh. There's always someone trying to make themselves feel important by putting the boot in. <br><br>
It was a hard fight and Joe was always going to get the crowd influencing the judges to an extent. Takam probably the guy taking the biggest risk thinking he could KO Parker when his record doesn't have him KOing anyone of ability.
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<p>some interesting callers on Talkback this morning...some saying it was fixed, some saying Takam shoulda won and some obviously thinking it went to JP as the scores did.</p>
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<p>Apparently Lonergan is gonna look at legal action against illegal streams of the fight, upto 20,000 people watched via 1 apparently</p>
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<p>Parker certainly won the fight 115 - 113 in my eyes - it was close and Takam really should of taken him out of there with his experience, Parkers heart said different. Problem is Takam looked the much better fighter from the 5th round on. What people didnt pick up though was Takams tank was also empty, though he paced himself a lot better than Parker did.<br><br>
Soon as your fighter is shown on major UK or USA tv Lonergan you will never be able to stop the free streams. Obviously they didnt make as much as they thought they were going to from PPV. $49.99 is quite expensive when compare to other prime boxers PPV.</p>
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<p>He got rocked very easily in round 2 against Dillan Whyte, the only time someone has thrown a punch back at him. Unfortunately for Whyte he was too slow to realise and Joshua got away with it. </p>
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<p>AJ is one boxer who can blast his way out of trouble. Might not always work but he has legit knock out power.</p>
<p>Great post mtm, safe to say you're something of an authority on the sweet science.</p>
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<p>Pretty amusing hearing Lonegan get all shitty and say he's coming after those who streamed illegally. I think Lonegan is a typical loudmouth dick as someone said earlier but the point he makes are quite vaild. There'll be a few nerds shitting bricks about being caught cos apparently it's quite easy to track via the decoder.</p>
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<p>Parker came through the test extremely well and showed Stamina and a chin that some may have doubted earlier on.</p>
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Parker certainly won the fight 115 - 113 in my eyes - it was close and Takam really should of taken him out of there with his experience, Parkers heart said different. Problem is Takam looked the much better fighter from the 5th round on. What people didnt pick up though was Takams tank was also empty, though he paced himself a lot better than Parker did.<br><br>
Soon as your fighter is shown on major UK or USA tv Lonergan you will never be able to stop the free streams. Obviously they didnt make as much as they thought they were going to from PPV. $49.99 is quite expensive when compare to other prime boxers PPV.</p></blockquote>
It wasn't just streams of the broadcast either. It was people simply cell phoning the game live to Facebook and periscope. <br><br>
$50 is way too much for me to dish out on an event that could potentially be over in minutes.<br>
$20 and I would probably have paid last minute as I was up and keen to watch.
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<div><br><p><u>Negatives</u></p>
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<p>- This was not a highlight reels fight for Parker. Takam was manhandling Parker several times during the fight, it was so bad that if Takam had the power of a Haye, Joshua, Wilder or Ortiz im utterly convince Parker would of been knocked out.</p>
<p>- Parkers defense under pressure was horrid, he would be exposed by higher ranked fighters. He made it to the end of the fight due to Takam not having ko power in his hands and Parker having a decent enough chin. But make no mistake, Parker allowed himself to take to many shots because he was so tired. Against a boxer like Ortiz, Haye, Wilder and AJ this would of been a KO loss.</p>
<p>- Parker was throwing many slap shots with his right hand, most landing with the inside of his glove, thats horrible and amateur level stuff.</p>
<p>- Parker does not have the punching power we though he had. It was missing and dare say while his hand speed is close to the best in the heaveyweight division his power has been overated.</p>
<p>- Parker looked disorganised, as soon as he was gassed, most structure went out the window, and unto a late 2nd wind at the end parker was gettibg by on heart alone and a chin that could take what Takam threw.</p>
<p>- Parker is always open to counters, to being crowded and hustled and his footwork poor.</p>
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<p>Great post and I agree with all of this. I wonder if Barry's coaching is at top level? Because Parker seems to have the athleticism and work ethic..</p>
<p>I also wondered about his upper cut..Takam has a solid head but the way he pushed his chin forward and protected the sides with his hands up high I thought an upper cut or two in the later rounds might be interesting?</p>
<p>But overall yes a lack of power from Parker at this level, and not keeping his distance and using his superior reach showed he still has some way to go.</p>
I don't watch much boxing but one question I have is if Joshua is only 16-0 and has not fought anyone of Takam's ability yet, why is he rated so highly? Is he just knocking guys out with ease ala Tyson?
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<p>Parker certainly won the fight 115 - 113 in my eyes - it was close and Takam really should of taken him out of there with his experience, Parkers heart said different. Problem is Takam looked the much better fighter from the 5th round on. What people didnt pick up though was Takams tank was also empty, though he paced himself a lot better than Parker did.<br><br>
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<p>I reckon the concerning thing for the Parker camp was that Joseph didn't look <u>that</u> busy in the first four rounds that he should have been looking so knackered by round five. Takam wouldn't have needed to be a lot busier to have picked up a lot of those middle and later rounds (6/7 and 10/11 all of which I think Parker won).</p>
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<p>I suppose on the plus side - at the end of round eight - watching live you would have been expecting Takam to go on to a knock out and it was doubtless fortuitous that he ran out of gas as well. </p>
I paid for it here in Aus , <br>
Only complaint from me from a value for money point of view was the standard of the fights on the undercard .
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<p>I paid for it here in Aus ,<br>
Only complaint from me from a value for money point of view was the standard of the fights on the undercard .</p>
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<p>For Duco's low standards, that was a great card but yes it was an average card by normal standards.</p>
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<p>I don't watch much boxing but one question I have is if Joshua is only 16-0 and has not fought anyone of Takam's ability yet, why is he rated so highly? Is he just knocking guys out with ease ala Tyson?</p>
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<p>Sensational knockouts, sensational build, even better PR company, Best manager in the UK and possibly world boxing =$ = hype</p>
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<p>Sensational knockouts, sensational build, even better PR company, Best manager in the UK and possibly world boxing =$ = hype</p>
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<p>Plus an Olympic gold medal led him to be highly rated before the pro career started . </p>
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<p>Plus an Olympic gold medal led him to be highly rated before the pro career started . </p>
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<p>True that, every man and his dog in the uk will want to see him go on to be a great</p>
Parker is small. He needs more beef to bang. <br><br>
His arms are short and his jab was ineffectual against a fighter with a proper reach. <br><br>
His defence is now so questionable you have to wonder if Barry is a capable coach.<br><br>
His tank is not good for 6 rounds let alone 12.<br><br>
He struggled in close and you could see the size and strenth of Takam was wearing him down too easily.<br><br>
Thats the negative out of the way.<br><br>
He has a chin. Solid taken some heavy hits. Never looked shaky or confused/spaced. Very good sign. Joshua has a questionable chin.<br><br>
He is still too quick for everyone hes come up against. There were a few shots Takam took, reeled back from and before he could think about that shot he was hit my 2 more.<br><br>
He is strong. Not so much with the punches but he threw Takam across the ring at one stage. If he can use that in the clinch and smothering guys on the ropes he'd be able to wear guys down more easily without exerting so much energy.<br><br>
His off the ropes counter punching was very good. Excellent in some exchanges.<br><br>
His heart. He got through his toughest test not because hes a prodigy but because he wanted it more than Takam. It was a war and he won it outright. He was tested in every area and he still won. Fairly. He was the winner, no controversy, he won fair and square.<br><br>
The future.<br><br>
I saw today that Solomon Haumono is claiming hes fighting JP next. Strange if true. A bit risky IMO. SH is a knock out artist and could seriously fuck up JPs cred if he gets lucky. However SH is 40 and not actually that great of a boxer. Funny though as I reckon this may just be the Aussie media reaching. Trying to get in on the hype.<br><br>
Barry should be commended for getting him this far but JP needs a coach that can give him defence. Its been apparent for a while now that hes lacking and open to an over hand left or right. He carries his hands far too low and doesnt tuck his chin in. Fast guys will often carry their hands low but he leaves his chin out there. Not good at all. <br><br>
He needs to get away from NZ and fight some guys in the US away from the hype machine here in NZ. Too easy a road fighting at home. I know its about bank and home court advantage and you could argue no other fighters give away that advantage. But i think its the difference in being an also ran and being a real champ. Go out of you comfort zone and win where no one knows you. Box to get better not to just get paid. <br><br>
Dont imagine Duco would let that happen unfortunately. Theyll ride this kid into he ground. Cheapen his rep by holding more pressers in burger joints. Ahh im digressing....<br><br>
Its crazy you know, all of this stuff surrounding a 24yo on the verge of super stardom. Lets just hope he gets there.<br><br><br><br>
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<p>Lonergan still talking tough...he does belong in the Boxing world doesn't he!</p>
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<p>Boxing promoter Dean Lonergan has spoken for the first time since he labelled illegal streamers of the Joseph Parker vs Carlos Takam fight "complete lowlife s***heads" yesterday.</p>
<p>The bout between Parker and Takam on Saturday night was viewed over 100,000 times on Facebook as the fight was live-streamed on social media and re-broadcast unlawfully by filming Sky TV's $49.99 coverage of the match.</p>
<p>Lonergan was fuming yesterday, saying he would be looking to find those who illegally streamed the event and would be looking to bill them up to tens of thousands of dollars.</p>
<p>"If we can find who those people are we'll be looking to bill them, probably in the tens of thousands of dollars," Lonergan said yesterday.</p>
<p>"There will be two choices when we find out who they are, we'll send them an invoice for tens of thousands of dollars and they can pay that or they'll find themselves in court.</p>
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<p>It's theft and they're lowlifes."</p>
<p>Speaking this morning to Andrew Mulligan on the <i>Crowd Goes Wild Breakfast</i>, Lonergan said that the media had blown his comments out of proportion, but was still adamant in tracking down and charging illegal streamers of the fight.</p>
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<p>"What's fascinating is that the media just seem to have a fascination with this [Lonergan's comments surrounding illegal streaming], the media have blown this to be something bigger than what it is," Lonergan said.</p>
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<p>"At the end of the day, we'll be chasing the people who did the re-streaming, they're not hard to identify with screenshots of everyone who [did] it, and some of them might be liable of up to $1 million if they had 21,000 streamers.</p>
<p>"They're not the smartest people on the planet, it's a blatant breach of our copyright, we will be perusing it.</p>
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<blockquote><span>I challenge Mr Lonergan to try to sue me - like anything that goes before court, evidence must be obtained. It will be impossible to prove who has been streaming it.</span>
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<p>"There's a wonderful thing called digital footprints and screenshots. It's not as if we can't find these people, and it's not as if we won't, and we're going to.</p>
<p>"They've stolen something, they're re-streaming it, they can pay the price and I'm looking forward to it."</p>
<p>James Bryant posted a stream of the event on Facebook and wasn't worried by the threats by Duco and Sky. He thought the pay-per-view price was "ridiculous".</p>
<p>"I challenge Mr Lonergan to try to sue me - like anything that goes before court, evidence must be obtained. It will be impossible to prove who has been streaming it."</p>
<p>Duco chief executive Martin Snedden's taking a more conciliatory approach to the controversy. Snedden said it's more about addressing the situation next time.</p>
<p>"We're going to have to find a bit about this," he told Radio Sport's Martin Devlin on the DRS.</p>
<p>"Dean and I are a little bit old and we don't come from the younger school that knows about this sort of stuff.</p>
<p>"We and Sky will start working on it and I think probably what we'll do is target the guys that were doing the large facilitation of the streaming. "</p>
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<p>"In the end if you don't like it, don't buy it but that doesn't give you any excuse to steal it. And that's exactly what these people have done."</p>
<p>Internet piracy law expert Rick Shera said people who live-streamed were easy legal targets. "It's a pretty blatant, obvious copyright breach. The breach is in copying it from the TV screen and then as a separate breach in communicating it again."</p>
<p>Mr Shera said the losses suffered by the copyright holder would be the basis of any damages claim and this could be 100,000 times $49.99 - nearly $5 million.</p>
<p>But it was unclear what level of proof of loss was required.</p>
<p>"Had it not been for the infringement, would 100,000 people have paid $50 to view it? The answer is probably no. The court would hear evidence on what the likely viewership would there have been and how would that have played out."</p>
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<p>It is believed part of the reason that the match was watched illegally by so many viewers is that the fee of $49.99 that Sky TV was charging its viewers for the pay-per-view match was too much for many, meaning they reverted to illegal streaming of the bout, which was free of cost.</p>
<p>When questioned by Mulligan about why the fight cost $49.99 to view on Sky TV, Lonergan explained that customers needed to be charged that highly in order for Parker to be paid appropriately for his fights, or else he would have to host fights outside of New Zealand.</p>
<p>"When we put on a fight in New Zealand, it costs $2 million to make, e have to somehow make that money back, " Lonergan stated.</p>
<p>"Now we do that through sales of corporate sponsorship, and we have to sell pay-per-view, and if we sell it for any less, the chances are we aren't going to break even.</p>
<p>"So that's the business we're in. This is a market where the fight has the most value, but most interestingly, this is a market where the fight costs the most to put on.</p>
<p>"So surely as a business, we're entitled to at least get to break even and make some profit so we can continue to pay Joseph Parker in the manner that he should be paid, and we can keep him fighting here in New Zealand, because what will happen is if we can't monetize the deal, we'll have to go overseas and New Zealanders will miss out.</p>
<p>"You've got to pay, simple as that."</p>
<p><strong>Sky - If you are not paying for something you are stealing it</strong></p>
<p>Sky spokesperson Kirsty Way told Mulligan the company "takes piracy very seriously because it is theft".</p>
<p>"If you are not paying for something you are stealing it," she said.</p>
<p>"This is a high profile case but we are always looking for illegal streams and yes, we can track it down and we will track it down.</p>
<p>"I don't think it is a grey area...it is definitely wrong. If you don't like the price of something, you can't just take it for free."</p>
<a class="" href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/video.cfm?c_id=4&gallery_id=160976&gal_objectid=11643239"><img src="http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201622/parkerscreen3_620x310.jpg" alt="parkerscreen3_620x310.jpg"><span>Video</span></a><p>"I don't know if a different price point would have made a difference."</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Way said Sky was still "hopeful" of getting rights to the English Premier League, which will no longer be carried by online provider Coliseum.</p>
<p>"The pricing was rich, very expensive, and very hard to justify and look at how we might even be close to breaking even," she said.</p>
<p>"There is still dialogue going on."</p>
<p><strong>How people stream sport on Facebook</strong></p>
<p>Advances in technology mean anyone can produce a live stream, and all they need is a smartphone with the Facebook app.</p>
<p>Savvy Kiwis have been using Facebook to live stream some of our top sporting events including the Parker fight to their Facebook friends who don't have Sky.</p>
<p>They put their phone on a tripod while they're watching the sporting event and film their TV screen. This video is broadcast live on Facebook, and anyone from around the world can hook into the stream.</p>
<p>During the stream fans can comment and interact while watching it, offering a whole new level of interactivity for fans watching live sport that has never been available before.</p>
<p>Certain Facebook groups and pages have gained a strong following because of these bootleg streams and many fans have started relying on their coverage to watch live sport. - Cameron Carpenter</p>
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<p>I contemplated streaming it as $50 was way too rich for my blood, but I ended up getting too excited about the match and paranoid I wouldn't get a decent stream then my brother offered to go halves with me so figured it was worth it then. Glad I did it was a terrific bout, far better than any of the previous ones I had watched. The undercard's weren't great but did offer a few laughs when that bloke went to celebrate what he thought was a knockout by climbing and then falling from the ropes. One of the undercard results seemed like a complete farce, the winner agreed and gave a pretty awkward interview straight after saying he didn't win.</p>
<p>I didn't watch it at all.</p>
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<p>Is this different to all the other streams out there that are available every week for rugby, league etc?</p>
<p>I didn't watch but if it was for a World title or summink, I would consider it.</p>
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<p>Local pub had it on but flag that for a late one in Matamata.</p>
<p>Is filming your TV screen really copying? Can see a good legal argument there.</p>
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<p>Sure, if it is in your T&Cs with the broadcaster that you can't film it then fair enough, but I suspect it just says copy.</p>
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<p>Is filming your TV screen really copying? Can see a good legal argument there.</p>
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<p>Sure, if it is in your T&Cs with the broadcaster that you can't film it then fair enough, but I suspect it just says copy.</p>
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<p>loads of people do this and share clips on FB...I guess it isn't live streamed is probably the key difference, but they are still 'copying' the content?</p>
<p>I'm usually anti-streaming, but someone sent me a link so I watched it. Luckily it wasn't anywhere near as shaky as Lonergan in 1991 . . . </p>
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<p>loads of people do this and share clips on FB...I guess it isn't live streamed is probably the key difference, but they are still 'copying' the content?</p>
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<p>Off the top of my head I think the scenario described (of filming your TV set and broadcasting it over FB) would fall into a really grey area not described in the Copyright Act.</p>
<p>Live streaming itself is not copying, I don't break the act if I watch a stream of a TV show, but I do if I download a copy or share that copy further. Whether the person filming and 'broadcasting' their TV set without making a copy is breaking the law I have no idea.</p>