All Blacks vs Springboks I

Whitelock is no longer joining the squad until after The Rugby Championship as he couldn't get out of quarantine until the Tuesday before the 2nd test - too short of a turnaround for a tight forward.

ABs by plenty. Pick whoever you want

Maybe they can do some sort of high ball catching competition to select the wings as Faf is going to be putting up bombs all night long.

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

I think ALB will be in, Bridge out of the 23, Ioane on the wing - touch wood. I won't comment on the props, I have no idea!

I think Jordan starts over Bridge but I worry about his poor positional sense on defence. ALB back at centre and Rieko on the left wing would be better.

Big Karl is also a good chance on the bench.

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taukei’aho
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge (Ioane)
12. Havili
13. ALB
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taylor
17. Tu'inukuafe
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Ioane (Jordan)

Changes above to what I think they will pick with my changes to my preferred ‘top’ team (in brackets)

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

That is pretty close IMO, Reiko on the wing for Bridge if ALB is fit.

Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,

While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,

They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods

The team should largely go back to the selections vs Australia. The Argie selections were more about giving people a run/rest

The wings in the 3 Aus games were:

Ioane/Reece
Reece/Jordan
Ioane/Jordan

It depends if Ioane is needed in the midfield. Reece/Jordan if Ioane is in 13. Ioane/Reece if ALB returns.

Jordan probably had his worst Test so I think he only features if Ioane is at 13. Even last night he still created a lot of issues for the opposition defence

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,

While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,

They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods

The decline in Super, the rise of NH, and being able to pick players from Northern hemisphere helped too... The players who came back looked like stars, where previously they'd been off the pace

@chimoaus and they won’t win the game playing that game. The Boks looked awful and lacking creativity. Their forwards weren’t anything the ABs can’t handle. We will beat them with power and speed. Based on their performance against then Ozzies, appreciating the improvement Oz has made, they are crap.

@duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

The team should largely go back to the selections vs Australia. The Argie selections were more about giving people a run/rest

The wings in the 3 Aus games were:

Ioane/Reece
Reece/Jordan
Ioane/Jordan

It depends if Ioane is needed in the midfield. Reece/Jordan if Ioane is in 13. Ioane/Reece if ALB returns.

Jordan probably had his worst Test so I think he only features if Ioane is at 13. Even last night he still created a lot of issues for the opposition defence

I’m hoping to see a back 3 of Jordie, Reece and Ioane. With Beauden dropping back we have their kicking game covered and the firepower to attack.

@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taukei’aho
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge (Ioane)
12. Havili
13. ALB
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taylor
17. Tu'inukuafe
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Ioane (Jordan)

Changes above to what I think they will pick with my changes to my preferred ‘top’ team (in brackets)

I really can't see them benching Ioane after being probably the most dangerous back all season. Consistently performing to a very high level.

Otherwise I like it, but if people are worried about Blackadder, then Laulala shouldn't really be starting either....

@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taukei’aho
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge (Ioane)
12. Havili
13. ALB
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taylor
17. Tu'inukuafe
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Ioane (Jordan)

Changes above to what I think they will pick with my changes to my preferred ‘top’ team (in brackets)

> I really can't see them benching Ioane after being probably the most dangerous back all season. Consistently performing to a very high level.

Otherwise I like it, but if people are worried about Blackadder, then Laulala shouldn't really be starting either....

I hoped I'm proved wrong.

Yeah on Laulala too, but Ofa isn't fit yet and we don't have a good enough option to step in yet (Lomax might get there but one good game is not enough for me yet and I'm sure not for the selectors)

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

I’d have ST at 2. Laulala by default at 3 but that spot is still open imo. Whitelock if available. Savea at 7 and Jacobson at 8 I don’t yet have quite have as much love as some posters for Dalton. Mounga at 10, ALB at 13, Ioane at 11.

I reckon they will back experience in some of the decisions. I expect to see Taylor start at hooker.

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

Who is midfield cover?

Karl T Lorax on the pine?

You mention ALB not being match fit: he's only missed a week hasn't he? (Or is it two) so "fitness" shouldn't be an issue But if his injury remains a problem I agree with the XV as I think both Jordan and Reece are right wingers and I'd pick them before Bridge if I could. Maybe Tupaea to 22 and Jordan starting if we can get Reece into 11 and Jordan to 14.

But I wouldn't lose a great deal of sleep if that is the XXIII.

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

I think ALB will be in, Bridge out of the 23, Ioane on the wing - touch wood. I won't comment on the props, I have no idea!

#booboo

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

I think ALB will be in, Bridge out of the 23, Ioane on the wing - touch wood. I won't comment on the props, I have no idea!

#booboo

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For all the talk of how dangerous the bombs of south Africa are, they put up appropriately 230 over the past 2 weeks, the wallabies dealt with them appallingly, and won both games

I am not worried.

Keep the ball for various sets of 5+ phases and we'll score more than they are capable of with their current game plan

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?

This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.

1. Moody
2. Taylor
3. Laulaula
4. Rettalick
5. Barrett
6. Ioane
7. Papali’i
8. Savea (c)
9. Perenara
10. Barrett
11. Bridge
12. Havili
13. Ioane
14. Reece
15. Barrett
16. Taukei'aho
17. Bower
18. Tu’ungafasi
19. Vaa’i
20. Jacobson
21. Weber
22. McKenzie
23. Jordan

I think ALB will be in, Bridge out of the 23, Ioane on the wing - touch wood. I won't comment on the props, I have no idea!

#booboo

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booboo made a hash of it? I don't follow the cryptic reply either...

@machpants he's saying he posted the same thing, before seeing your post.

A booboo.

Welcome to the fern...

@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@machpants he's saying he posted the same thing, before seeing your post.

A booboo.

Welcome to the fern...

Ah I thought he was saying I made a booboo, I know the booboo meme. But I couldn't figure out where I fucked up!

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,

While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,

They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods

The decline in Super, the rise of NH, and being able to pick players from Northern hemisphere helped too... The players who came back looked like stars, where previously they'd been off the pace

And how has that worked for the Bokke?

@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@machpants he's saying he posted the same thing, before seeing your post.

A booboo.

Welcome to the fern...

Ahh ... I see I have caused confusion and angst.

Win.

This will be the team if ALB is fit:

1 Tu'inukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Barrett
6 Ioane
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Perenara
10 Barrett
11 Ioane
12 Havili
13 ALB
14 Reece
15 Barrett

16 Taukei'aho
17 Moody
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Tuipulotu
20 Jacobson
21 Weber
22 DMac
23 Jordan

There is one abject retard, I think he still posts here, who in 2019 posted about how glad he was that Rieko Ioane was dropped. We have some real morons, but that takes the cake for stupidity.

@tim fuck yes! Finally the bench is something to smile about.

@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

There is one abject retard, I think he still posts here, who in 2019 posted about how glad he was that Rieko Ioane was dropped. We have some real morons, but that takes the cake for stupidity.

I don't think this was me, but on behalf of all abject retards around here, I think we ought to have leniency on dumb posts made after a suitable period of time.

After all, this is the Fern not a marriage!

@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

This will be the team if ALB is fit:

1 Tu'inukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Barrett
6 Ioane
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Perenara
10 Barrett
11 Ioane
12 Havili
13 ALB
14 Reece
15 Barrett

16 Taukei'aho
17 Moody
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Tuipulotu
20 Jacobson
21 Weber
22 DMac
23 Jordan

19 is the only one there that I think might/should be incorrect.

@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?

@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

This will be the team if ALB is fit:

1 Tu'inukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Barrett
6 Ioane
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Perenara
10 Barrett
11 Ioane
12 Havili
13 ALB
14 Reece
15 Barrett

16 Taukei'aho
17 Moody
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Tuipulotu
20 Jacobson
21 Weber
22 DMac
23 Jordan

I think that's the 23 if ALB fit, with 19 the biggest uncertainty. My hunch, though, is that Moody will be in 1 and Karl in 17.

If ALB out I'd be inclined to go with Tuapea on bench and Jordan moving to 14.

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,

While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,

They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods

The decline in Super, the rise of NH, and being able to pick players from Northern hemisphere helped too... The players who came back looked like stars, where previously they'd been off the pace

And how has that worked for the Bokke?

Well, it got them a RWC, and the No 1 ranking for two years (tongue firmly in cheek).

Seriously, though, like Australia, it filled some holes when needed. Some of the players they grabbed (Kolbe, JOC, etc) were absolute stars.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?

Yep. Offers more energy and, although a test against the bokke may not be the traditional place to 'grow' a player, needs games against this type of physical opposition to develop.
Pat T isn't the future IMO. Has had loads of chances and just seems to go missing.

@pakman Yeah Moody definitely starts if match fit.

Vaai seems like a great 'system fit' for how Fozzie wants his forwards to play the game.

Mobile, highly skillful, high workrate and improving at the dark arts.

@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

Vaai seems like a great 'system fit' for how Fozzie wants his forwards to play the game.

Mobile, highly skillful, high workrate and improving at the dark arts.

In future, he might be able to cover 6 from the bench too. That would allow for a 7/8 (like Ardie) on the bench without having a starter cover 6

@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?

Yep. Offers more energy and, although a test against the bokke may not be the traditional place to 'grow' a player, needs games against this type of physical opposition to develop.
Pat T isn't the future IMO. Has had loads of chances and just seems to go missing.

A shame cos he sure looks the part in terms of being a big bruiser to compete with Bok/English packs. Massive human being up close when I saw him and the rest of the Blues on a flight earlier this year.

Didn’t get a chance to have breakfast with him or any of his teammates but he took up a lot of room when walking down the aisle of a plane.

i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

but

we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.