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<p>I've never been a fan of him as a player, felt he was over rated, but I hope he has dealt with his off-field issues and can forge a decent career, still only about 27 isn't he?</p>
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<p>Young fellas today get everything handed to them on a plate (in going straight form school into earning money playing rugby) it must be very easy to divert off the correct path without decent support.</p>
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<p>His dad died watching him play in the U20 WC final, I wouldn't say he's been handed everything on a plate.</p>
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<p>I never thought Guildford was AB quality but I think he's fine at Super level, so I was a bit surprised people were making fun of the Saders last weekend when Guildford was playing well. Hopefully Ta$man can provide the kind of environment that'll help support him.</p>
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<p>His dad died watching him play in the U20 WC final, <strong>I wouldn't say he's been handed everything on a plate.</strong></p>
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<p>I never thought Guildford was AB quality but I think he's fine at Super level, so I was a bit surprised people were making fun of the Saders last weekend when Guildford was playing well. Hopefully Ta$man can provide the kind of environment that'll help support him.</p>
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<p>did I say he did?</p>
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<p>Was generalizing about many of the young guys nowadays and the path that is now there for them.</p>
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<p>I've never been a fan of him as a player, felt he was over rated, but I hope he <strike>has dealt</strike> <u>is dealing</u> with his off-field issues and can forge a decent career, still only about 27 isn't he?</p>
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<p>Young fellas today get everything handed to them on a plate (in going straight form school into earning money playing rugby) it must be very easy to divert off the correct path without decent support.</p>
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<p>Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but mental illness is not something a patient "can deal with" (as in "get over it"). It's something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life, and hopefully, can manage well for the rest of his life. He will slip now and then, and it's important that he continues to get the right support to get him back on the horse when that happens.</p>
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<p>The majority of young players, fortunately, won't have to deal with ZG's illness, but there might be some in the future. I hope NZ rugby, franchises & NPC teams are learning because this is not a behavioural issue but a health issue that they shouldn't just leave to a mental skills coach.</p>
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<p>His dad died watching him play in the U20 WC final, I wouldn't say he's been handed everything on a plate.</p>
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<p>I never thought Guildford was AB quality but I think he's fine at Super level, so I was a bit surprised people were making fun of the Saders last weekend when Guildford was playing well. Hopefully Ta$man can provide the kind of environment that'll help support him.</p>
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<p>I think he's good at Super level and excellent at ITM cup level. The joke last weekend was that Guildford never performed for the Saders (due to obvious reasons) and then stuck the boot in by scoring the try that denied the Saders their precious bonus point :)</p>
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<p>Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but mental illness is not something a patient "can deal with" (as in "get over it"). It's something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life, and hopefully, can manage well for the rest of his life. He will slip now and then, and it's important that he continues to get the right support to get him back on the horse when that happens.</p>
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<p>The majority of young players, fortunately, won't have to deal with ZG's illness, but there might be some in the future. I hope NZ rugby, franchises & NPC teams are learning because this is not a behavioural issue but a health issue that they shouldn't just leave to a mental skills coach.</p>
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<p>yeah I think you are just being a bit picky over the words dealt with....</p>
<p>Ngatai has been ruled out of Friday night's Super Rugby clash with the Waratahs due to his concussion.</p>
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<p>If Tamanivalu is also unavailable the only option in the midfield is Horrell-ALB. Beaver onto the bench. I'm not sure they would risk starting Vaka at centre.</p>
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<p>Sam Whitelock has been ruled out of Saturday night's game v the Blues. So that will be a Romano-Barrett combo.</p>
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<p>It will be harder if Codie Taylor is ruled out, too (still uncertain). Ben Funnell is still recovering from a hamstring injury, so that would mean Ged Robinson to start. Who's their 4th hooker?</p>
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<p>did I say he did?</p>
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<p>Was generalizing about many of the young guys nowadays and the path that is now there for them.</p>
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<p>Seemed like you were saying that's what happened to Guildford.</p>
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<p>I think the important thing for young guys these days is coming into a good team culture and having good role models within the team. Having guys like Cane and Cruden setting the example for kids like McKenzie and Seu at the Chiefs or Read and Ellis setting the example for kids like Mo'unga and Barrett at the Saders and so on.</p>
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<p>I think he's good at Super level and excellent at ITM cup level. The joke last weekend was that Guildford never performed for the Saders (due to obvious reasons) and then stuck the boot in by scoring the try that denied the Saders their precious bonus point :)</p>
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<p>I thought he delivered for the Saders at times but Blackadder's weak attack didn't really help him a lot of the time (or many Saders backs). And while I found the twist of fate pretty funny too, I thought I saw someone say that the Saders were making Guildford look good, which is what seemed silly to me.</p>
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<p>Former Auckland hooker Nathan Vella is the Crusaders 4th choice hooker.</p>
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<p>Thought I saw him playing down here lol. I also thought he was playing for Grammar TEC at the start of the season?</p>
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<p>Rubbish :)</p>
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<p>he kisses the Crusaders logo on his jersey before running out onto the field every game</p>
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<p>he's one of us now </p>
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<p>Aww :)</p>
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<p> Ta$man has signed Zac Guildford - I presume to give Hammer an All Black to sack. :)</p>
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<p>Not a signing I am keen on, but apparently there are doubts that we will have either Lolohea or Lowe.</p>
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<p>If we've swapped you Zac for Lowe then I'm happy, otherwise I'm unhappy.</p>
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<p>If we've swapped you Zac for Lowe then I'm happy, otherwise I'm unhappy.</p>
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<p> <br><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Apparently, Lowe is struggling with injury, so he might not add much to the Magpies.</span></span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Injury concerns surrounding Ta$man wingers Viliami Lolohea and James Lowe mean that Ta$man have been on the look out for a quality threequarter and according to Ta$man Mako$ head coach, Leon MacDonald, 27-year-old Guildford suits their needs perfectly.</span></span></p>
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<p> <br><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">From <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/80314927/zac-guildford-signs-with-tasman-Mako$-for-new-npc-rugby-season'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/80314927/zac-guildford-signs-with-tasman-Mako$-for-new-npc-rugby-season</a></span></span></p>
<p>Magpie and Hurricane Tony Lamborn has been named in the USA quad to play Italy and Russia in June. Didn't know he was USA qualified ...</p>
<p>Jaguares down to 13 men for the whole 2nd half but the Kings still not looking like winning.</p>
Killed my multi already, pretty sure they were under $1.10 faves too, especially annoying as i tipped the tahs and canes which shot up the multiplayer!
<p>The word bin is taken quite literally in Port Elizabeth, I see:</p>
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Partly their own I'll discipline but also because they play in the South African conference with mainly South African refs.<br><br>
Haven't yet watched the game last night so can't comment on those decisions
<p>This how South Africa's <em>Super Sport</em> described the red cards:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/160527/Kings_win_as_Jaguares_see_red'>http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/160527/Kings_win_as_Jaguares_see_red</a></p>
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<p>The first red came as Thomas Lavanini charged into a ruck without arms and shoulder-charged Schalk Oelofse. With the recycled ball kicked cross field by Nicolas Sanchez for Emilliano Bofelli to collect and score, it looked as if the Jaguares were on the scoreboard for the first try.</p>
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<p>But in a controversial decision the TMO, Marius Jonker, called the ref's attention to the shoulder charge, with referee Bryant suggesting a red for an incident that didnâ€
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<p>A few minutes later Ramiro Herrera went in with his shoulder to the head of Steven Sykes, who was lying on the floor at the ruck and considering the fact that the previous incident was deemed red, it left Bryant with no option but to give the red a second time (although this time deservedly so).</p>
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<p>Only saw the 2nd half of the game so I missed the 2 reds but that is disgraceful reffing. He shouldn't be allowed to ref another super rugby game ever.</p>
<p>The second one look legit to me. The Jaguars have been ill disciplined and dirty and you play that side of the ledger too often and you will end up paying. </p>
What a joke. You see those sorts of cleanouts multiple times in every game. However i might be missing something but the ref isnt a saffa is he? He is a kiwi.
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<p>The second one look legit to me. The Jaguars have been ill disciplined and dirty and you play that side of the ledger too often and you will end up paying. </p>
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<p>2nd was def a YC, but agree, they have been a bit on the dirty side and been getting done, something they will need to sort out if they want to compete in this comp</p>
The ref will surely get a rest after that. The first card was nothing at all, the second was yellow at best, looked bad but as said it's done at every second breakdown now.
There was a cleanout on Vito by a Landers player that was worse then both of those. Crazy decisions.
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Complete fucking horse shit<br>
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Pretty sure the ref was a kiwi<br><br>
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Bryant was the ref that lost composure when landers beat the tahs too
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Yeah sorry, was told that this afternoon <br><br>
Video ref involved in the first one though?
<p>I'm gonna be unpopular and say that both of those no-arms cleanouts targeted the head. Yellow card at least for both.</p>
I'd like to see actions like the second red wiped out of the game. The Kings player was taking no part in the ruck at all, it was just thuggery from Herrera. <br><br>
It's crept into the game more and more, and all teams do it. Belting guys around the ruck who aren't taking part in it, just for the sake of it.<br><br>
When you dive on a bloke on the ground like that it's dangerous play, and should be a YC at the very least.<br><br><br>
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<p>It will be interesting what the SANZAAR judiciairy is going to decide, particularly reasons given and suspensions (if any). Red cards always go to a hearing, so we should know more in a couple of days. Didn't look like red cards to me, esp. first one. Nick Bryant is a terrible ref; if I remember it correctly, he stuffed up against the Jaguares early in the season as well (in Arg). But the Jaguares certainly have a serious discipline problem that they need to sort out.</p>
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<p><strong>I'd like to see actions like the second red wiped out of the game. The Kings player was taking no part in the ruck at all, it was just thuggery from Herrera.</strong><br><br>
It's crept into the game more and more, and all teams do it. Belting guys around the ruck who aren't taking part in it, just for the sake of it.<br><br>
When you dive on a bloke on the ground like that it's dangerous play, and should be a YC at the very least.<br><br><br>
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<p>I thought he was lying on the ruck so fair game on the cleanout but not the diving. </p>
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<p>I think the reds were both too harsh, IMHO they should have been yellows (Palu only got a yellow) and the only issue is you see those in every game and you don't see yellows for them in every game.</p>