All Blacks XV 2022

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:

@Chris They're likely to be in Europe at almost the same time, so there may be cross-overs (not saying that I agree with that).

My most pressing question is the relationship between the teams. Are they really separate? How much input will the ABs coaching staff have on squad and match day selections? And how much on game plan etc? If the influence of the ABs coaches is significant, you can forget about Razor coaching this team. He'll want to be - and should be - the only captain steering this ship.

Of course the AB selectors should be picking this team too.

I would hope that whoever coaches side recognises it's about improving depth at a national level and working alongside the All Blacks team. Any other reaction from a potential coach would be petty, short sighted and IMO disqualifying from the top job

If Robertson is tapped I'm sure he would do fine and be a team player

The relationship would be similar to McMillan and the AB coaches. The Māori get to play their own way, but there will be some co-ordination on selection because the ABs get first choice of players.

@Bovidae Yep, I think that would be fine. I'm not entirely sure how the MABs are picked, but I don't think it's the ABs coaches who pick the players. Obviously, there's some coordination and discussion, but apart from that McMillan and co will pick the team and decide how they play.

I am not sure If Razor's knee replacement surgery would take him out of contention to coach this side.About 3 months recovery time, so it might not have any impact on him coaching.

@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:

I would hope that whoever coaches side recognises it's about improving depth at a national level and working alongside the All Blacks team. Any other reaction from a potential coach would be petty, short sighted and IMO disqualifying from the top job

Yep, what I said and meant doesn't contradict that. There needs to be coordination, cooperation and discussion between the two coaching groups. But that doesn't mean that the ABs coaches should take the decisions for this team as regards the selection of the (entire) team or how the team plays (game plan).

Of course the AB selectors should be picking this team too.

I disagree with that. Obviously, the two head coaches would discuss selections, coordinate fringe ABs getting game time for the ABs XV, but otherwise the coach of this team should be able to pick the players himself. The ABs coaches could decide what important skills they'd want to develop in players and - in a general way - what kind of game strategies they'd want to develop (for example, to counter a rush defence), but it should be up to the coach of this team of how this should be implemented for this team and how that translates into a game plan. On a meta level, sure, the ABs coaches decide what they want, but at a team level, they should leave it to the coach of this team.

If Robertson is tapped I'm sure he would do fine and be a team player

Again, what I said and meant doesn't contradict this.

I want them picking their own sides so that we can see the absolute shitfight for Ennor play out in public.

So is this a eligibility capture team?

@Machpants Since the team was established a few years ago, NZR haven't officially designated this team as NZ's "next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team" under World Rugby Reg. 8. So, until it's officially designated, playing for this team doesn't capture a player.

Edited to add that I vaguely remember reading that NZR has said that they have no intention of changing this. But obviously, they can change their mind.

@Stargazer the only reason this team exists is to build depth for the All Blacks.

Everything they do should be driven by whoever is the AB coach.

@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:

@Stargazer the only reason this team exists is to build depth for the All Blacks.

Everything they do should be driven by whoever is the AB coach.

It would be mad if this team wasn't selected by / with significant input from the AB coaches / selectors.

I assume that everyone wanting to blow Robertson will change their minds about that if he gets made the AB coach.

@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:

@Chris said in All Blacks XV:

Will be fascinating to see who they do pick and see people on the Ferns opinions on who they should select in the squad.

So in theory we will have what 60 players touring at the end of the year between the two squads? That is 4 starting Super Rugby teams

But a good way to continue development and build skills etc.

I can see too many Canes and Chiefs already….

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV:

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Future AB's coaching group right there? So clearly Razor has not been asked to coach the AB XV, maybe Fozzie has his eyes on Hammett and Holland?

So some likely names based on the current ABs squad;

I’d say there will be one or two youngsters the coaches have their eyes on, that will surprise.
And yes I will have missed some obvious names.

Hodgman
De Groot
Williams
Norris
Eklund
Aumua
Goodhue
Dickson
IWL
Tucker
Robinson
Grace
Harmon
MMT
Frizzell
Choat
Weber
Ratima
A Nother 9 (probably TJP)
Ioane
DMac
Plummer (struggling for 10’s)
Nankivell
PUJ
TUJ
Sullivan
Sullivan
Telea
Nareki

@Gunner would like to see Josh Moorby feature in there somewhere as another fullback/wing option, he’s had an excellent season.

@Gunner said in All Blacks XV:

And yes I will have missed some obvious names.

you have indeed, you should hand in your Northland card

Although I expect where you have doubled down, you meant someone else....

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

@Gunner said in All Blacks XV:

And yes I will have missed some obvious names.

you have indeed, you should hand in your Northland card

Although I expect where you have doubled down, you meant someone else....

So Jack isn't moving into the forwards?

I am assuming Nowell = Norris. Add Jacobson to the loose forwards.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

@Gunner said in All Blacks XV:

And yes I will have missed some obvious names.

you have indeed, you should hand in your Northland card

Although I expect where you have doubled down, you meant someone else....

Indeed, I could have sworn I typed Robinson…

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

@Gunner said in All Blacks XV:

And yes I will have missed some obvious names.

you have indeed, you should hand in your Northland card

Although I expect where you have doubled down, you meant someone else....

I am assuming Nowell = Norris

Yea ‍️

@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV:

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Future AB's coaching group right there? So clearly Razor has not been asked to coach the AB XV, maybe Fozzie has his eyes on Hammett and Holland?

Can’t have an ABs XV team showing up Foster’s lack of innovation XV! Hopefully this is incorrect

@Gunner one name you’ve missed and would probably be captain for a side like this, Jacobson.

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV:

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I'm inclined to believe NZR didn't approach Robertson before coming up with the XV concept.

Looks like this was all scripted by OMC

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV:

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@mariner4life said in All Blacks XV:

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The left foot doesn't know what the right foot is doing.

There has been plenty of bagging of foster, but it's Robinson and the board who are letting the side down. You look at the Blues, and it was the changes at the top that have driven improvement through the organization.

@Gunner what do we think of Fergus Burke? had half a dozen starts this year & seemed okay

@FakatavaAllBlack He has definitely improved alot, this year. Nor sure about higher level, but that applies to more players on the list posted earlier in the thread.

Just read that All Blacks XV (A) team is to tour Canada and Europe for a few games later in year.

New Zealand Rugby’s (NZR) newest Team in Black, the All Blacks XV, will embark on a 3-week global tour playing in North America, the UK and Europe. Matches against Canada and the Barbarians have been confirmed, with two additional high profile matches to be announced soon.

great news in my opinion, give the fringe players something to help push their case! Razor to get coaching gig?

ultimate @booboo this one

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

@Gunner what do we think of Fergus Burke? had half a dozen starts this year & seemed okay

He is starting to mature as a First Five, sort of player who won't let the Crusaders down now and filled in well this year.
Not sure if he can step up to another level time will tell.

@Dan54 You might want to check out the first post of this thread. :winking_face:

@Stargazer I merged his thread into this one...

@taniwharugby Ah, that's not visible for us non-mod folk.

@Chris said in All Blacks XV:

I am not sure If Razor's knee replacement surgery would take him out of contention to coach this side.About 3 months recovery time, so it might not have any impact on him coaching.

True, no breakdancing.

So possible best team?:

1. A Hogman

2. K Ekland

3. T Williams

4. J Dickson

5. J Goodhue

6. T Robinson

7. T Christie

8. C Grace

9. B Webber

10. D Mckenzie

11. B Sullivan

12. A Nankivell

13. TUJ

14. M Telea

15. Z Sullivan

16. A Aumua

17. E De Groot

18. T Lomax

19. IWL

20. MMT

21. TJP

22. J Ioane

23. A Lam

24. L Jacobson (for @FakatavaAllBlack)

@Mackerzzzz Luke Jacobson quickly becoming the forgotten man of NZ rugby

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV:

There has been plenty of bagging of foster, but it's Robinson and the board who are letting the side down. You look at the Blues, and it was the changes at the top that have driven improvement through the organization.

Nailed it. The governance is rubbish, the decisions are rubbish and it flows through.

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

@Mackerzzzz Luke Jacobson quickly becoming the forgotten man of NZ rugby

He's really good. Not forgotten for me

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

@Mackerzzzz Luke Jacobson quickly becoming the forgotten man of NZ rugby

Yeah but over who? In my team.

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

@Mackerzzzz Luke Jacobson quickly becoming the forgotten man of NZ rugby

Ok then