All Blacks XV 2022

ACT Crusader

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:

@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option

I guess it depends on what your definition of long term option is. Let’s say Aumua makes the ABs because of a combination of his form and injury to one or two others (not an unusual path) and he finds his feet in test footy quickly. He could still have 5 or even 6 years of test footy (some recent ABs have played till 34 or 35).

That would be a lot more than past ABs who were selected at 22 or 23 who have played a few tests, been on the fringe for a year or two and then gone overseas to play club footy as an “All Black International”.

The thing with pro team sport selections is that it’s subjective and each is on its merits for the particular circumstances. Let’s not forget we have had injuries galore in the midfield over a number of years so building depth would be a priority for any coach/selector.

using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.

One could easily argue that the PGS was a genuine look because we had for arguments sake player X who was in and out because of injury and player Y who they weren’t sure about and player Z playing lock and filling in. Again this sort of selection has been a feature on the past. If you start looking at other factors like who the player is also eligible to play for or worrying about “will they actually be long term”, then you might miss something that will help you immediately.

So yeah, sometime i think they freak out that we might not have the depth they want and so they pick people just in case that depth is needed

Been happening for the last 15 years since the evolution of the full use of the 22/23. I’d say but don’t have any hard data to back it up, but injuries are far more common so not being caught out is pretty important.

Winger

Who is the replacement captain with Patrick Tuipulotu being elevated. TJ might be in the running maybe.

@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV

Bovidae

@Winger said in All Blacks XV:

Who is the replacement captain with Patrick Tuipulotu being elevated. TJ might be in the running maybe.

The Barretts are expected to return next week so I think that DMac and Tuipulotu are only temporary replacements for the Japan test. Foster is saying that they should join up with the AB XV squad before they play.

@Tim does appear he’s not favour with this selection group

Nepia

@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks XV:

@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV

Shit, does that mean he's signed for Canterbury for next year? :winking_face:

Anyway, that's awesome for him.

ARHS

@booboo yes but this is not a capture team so could be picked if 3 years stand down is up by rwc. Not sure on timing there.

booboo

@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:

@booboo yes but this is not a capture team do could be picked if 3 years stand down is up by rwc. Not sure on timing there.

2019 when he last played, but dude is 36 next month.

Absolutely no point in selecting him.

taniwharugby

@booboo several in the squad meet that criteria IMO.

@Steven-Harris you must be stoked with that!

@Nepia got another year on his Canes contract.

broughie

@Tim In all fairness in his last couple of games he has been unremarkable.

Nepia

@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks XV:

@Nepia got another year on his Canes contract.

I don’t care about them, I’m only concerned with NPC. I’d prefer he go to Crusades, he’ll definitely be an AB then.

Crucial

@Winger said in All Blacks XV:

Who is the replacement captain with Patrick Tuipulotu being elevated. TJ might be in the running maybe.

Isn't Pat T expected to go back to XVs straight after Japan. Same with Mac unless they decide to keep him around in place of Jordan.

Barretts expected to join the squad during the week but just won't be up for selection.

ACT Crusader

@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:

@booboo yes but this is not a capture team do could be picked if 3 years stand down is up by rwc. Not sure on timing there.

I wouldn’t be selecting Heinz on form alone. Drummond has been much better this campaign.

Tim

Guys, I really think that @ARHS might just have been joking about selecting an ancient and mediocre Canterbury player ...

ACT Crusader

@Tim after his first post maybe but then he went all “not a capture team” on us….

@ARHS Will Heinz has been quality for Canterbury. Is there any likelihood he will stay on and play for the Crusaders. It would be three years since he last played for England.

Chris

@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:

@ARHS Will Heinz has been quality for Canterbury. Is there any likelihood he will stay on and play for the Crusaders. It would be three years since he last played for England.

Yes he has signed for 2023

kiwi_expat

I'm still struggling to understand how bang average Gardiner & Tuipoluto deserve a spot - but not the outstanding Ah Kuoi & McWhannell, they have been exceptional lately. I'm predicting they will have standout seasons in SR next year.

KiwiMurph

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV:

I'm still struggling to understand how bang average Gardiner & Tuipoluto deserve a spot, but not the outstanding Ah Kuoi & McWhannell, they have been exceptional lately, I'm predicting they will have standout seasons in SR next year.

Tuipulotu was outstanding for Auckland in the quarter final vs Harbour and one of the only Auckland players to play well in the semi final vs Wellington.

I understand that he has underwhelmed at test level but as a 42 test All Black he is always likely to be in the mix 12 months out from a RWC in a squad like this.

I'm a McWhannell fan but he's barely played Super Rugby. After injury riddled 2020 and 2021 I think he debuted for the Chiefs this year and only played 3 games.

kiwi_expat

Naitoa Ah Kuoi as a 6... is everything Liam Squire was but 5x better, he looks built for test rugby, he honestly could become another Jerry Collins for us, he is going to fold guys at int. level, 23 years and 196cm/116kg, I really hope he eventuates as NZ's long-term 6 after 2023...

KiwiMurph

@kiwi_expat Hope he gets a good crack at 6 for the Chiefs - to me he looks better suited to 6 than Vaai or Finau.

ARHS

@Tim said in All Blacks XV:

Guys, I really think that @ARHS might just have been joking about selecting an ancient and mediocre Canterbury player ...

Yep. I am staggered by a few selections but prop and lock most of all. Felt sure Ollie Norris and Hodgman were lock ins and either Mcwhannell or MSR would make it unless Holland promoted.
Am thinking Roigard is like for like replacement for Fakatava, only better.
Happy on the 3 promoted but mystified by xv selections.
Thought they said it was based on form of players they were watching but if only watching Crusaders forwards and Blues backs they will be coaching next year then it makes sense...

Bovidae

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:

@kiwi_expat Hope he gets a good crack at 6 for the Chiefs - to me he looks better suited to 6 than Vaai or Finau.

I think that will be the plan for Ah Kuoi. Gives the Chiefs an extra lineout option and he is mobile.

number9

@broughie said in All Blacks XV:

@Tim In all fairness in his last couple of games he has been unremarkable.

The whole Canterbury pack the last couple of games have been unremarkable. Problem with Auckland was with the tighthead side, unfortunately Renata had a shocking season with his technique. I also.queationed whether the locks were.doing.much in the way of support

@Chris said in All Blacks XV:

@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:

@ARHS Will Heinz has been quality for Canterbury. Is there any likelihood he will stay on and play for the Crusaders. It would be three years since he last played for England.

Yes he has signed for 2023

Crusaders?

Chris

@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:

@Chris said in All Blacks XV:

@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:

@ARHS Will Heinz has been quality for Canterbury. Is there any likelihood he will stay on and play for the Crusaders. It would be three years since he last played for England.

Yes he has signed for 2023

Crusaders?

Yep

@Chris That is a very good signing especially with the departure of Bryn Hall to Japan.

Chris

@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:

@Chris That is a very good signing especially with the departure of Bryn Hall to Japan.

He is replacing TTT.

Victor Meldrew

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:

@KiwiMurph yeah I don’t mind the Gatland selection and he could do a job ala Donald should Mo’unga, Beaudie, Perofeta, DMac (and probably Jordie) all get a visit from Suzie

Your post isn't as satirical as it first appears

broughie

@number9. You might be right and certainly Wellington dominated them yesterday. It's just been my observation that his work around the park has tailed off. Not knocking him for his scrummaging.

frugby

Bell and McAllister both unlikely for NZ XV due to injury. Sounds like a badly broken toe and an ACL issue...

booboo

@friedrugby who is next cab(s) off the rank?

Thompson?

KiwiMurph

@booboo Eklund as another option if they need 2?