I wouldn’t tinker with the starting XV too much other than Jordan for Fainga’anuku if he can train.
The SB excitement I thought worked in terms of physicality so I’d extend it but bring Akira on bench for PGS, Fakatava for Christie & Goodhue/Havili for Ennor.
Simple plan for Saturday, smash 'em again.
I'd rest anyone a bit poorly and bashed up after Eden Park. But go again with most of the same time. Great to have the likes of Samsoni, Akira, Paps, Fakatava, Goodhue and Jordan if we need them
I want to see us more solid at the breakdown, we need to stop them interfering with our ruck ball.
I'd like to see us ramp up our defensive intensity, improve our line speed to slow their forward progress.
And I'd like to see us improve our general kicking game, and cut down errors in our own half
If SB is cited and found guilty there will have to be at least one change to the starting XV.
In this interview Paul O'Connell says that Hooker Dave Heffernan is out this week with concussion. They will miss him, he was outstanding for them on Saturday.
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
In this interview Paul O'Connell says that Hooker Dave Heffernan is out this week with concussion. They will miss him, he was outstanding for them on Saturday.
Think you’re mixing up your hookers there. Sheehan was the starting hooker and he was very good.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
In this interview Paul O'Connell says that Hooker Dave Heffernan is out this week with concussion. They will miss him, he was outstanding for them on Saturday.
Think you’re mixing up your hookers there. Sheehan was the starting hooker and he was very good.
Yeah Sheehan was by far and away the best in green. Did you notice, along with all his tackles, and runs, that he was the one that brought down Reece over the try line - that's guts and speed for a hooker
@Billy-Tell Oh yeah Sheehan it was that I was thinking of. He was Irelands best player I thought. I'm glad that we'll get to see him again this week.
we/he is lucky, id be furious is someone did that to us, pretty in the side , no arms and to the shoulder/neck area
@Kiwiwomble yep. Such a low percentage play too. Still a dumb player at times.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
I thought he was. He was definitely penalised for it.
@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
I thought he was. He was definitely penalised for it.
okay my bad
@antipodean thats right, he played advantage and they had a couple of cracks at the line over a few phases then went back.
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
we/he is lucky, id be furious is someone did that to us, pretty in the side , no arms and to the shoulder/neck area
I would actually describe not having one of our meathead players punished for a meathead act in an 80th+(?) minute of a comfortable win - as bad luck.
I just know that karma will catch-up with that, at a much worse time .... Or a less mystical explanation: "meathead no learn".
the more i look at that still the angrier i get
fucking why Scott? you're no chance to turn it over. It's just at best giving away a penalty in an attempt to hurt someone, at worst old mate doesn't duck and you've got another red to add to the collection.
look at the technique FFS, he's at full stretch just after contact, so even if he's from teh back he's in no position to drive once he wins contact. There is nothing good there at all.
This is coming up in review.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
He actually didn't come in from side, that icture is rubbish, as that's where he ended up. I must be old, butFFS if that a card it's time to pack game in, it was and even in picture clearly shoulder on shoulder contact, and if you can't do that you can't clear out at ruck/maul.
And why would you do it, the same reason as you hit most rucks scrums etc etc etc, even when other team has it, to make tha ball as messy as possible. I not being rude, but thank f*** you fellas never played in teams with me or teams I coached, if you think going passive when opposition got ball!!
@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
He actually didn't come in from side, that icture is rubbish, as that's where he ended up. I must be old, butFFS if that a card it's time to pack game in, it was and even in picture clearly shoulder on shoulder contact, and if you can't do that you can't clear out at ruck/maul.
And why would you do it, the same reason as you hit most rucks scrums etc etc etc, even when other team has it, to make tha ball as messy as possible. I not being rude, but thank f*** you fellas never played in teams with me or teams I coached, if you think going passive when opposition got ball!!
I thought the point was more 'if you're going to do something, do it properly/well'. I think most of us increasingly aging posters on here once played in the days of rucking, so I doubt there are many strangers to aggressive play posting.
And in reciprocity, I suspect in the days that you played and coached, there weren't 20-odd cameras at the ground, tough rules around head contact, nor a feral and parochial social media highlighting every last event and non-event. The intent I get, but it was pretty low percentage execution.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
He actually didn't come in from side, that icture is rubbish, as that's where he ended up. I must be old, butFFS if that a card it's time to pack game in, it was and even in picture clearly shoulder on shoulder contact, and if you can't do that you can't clear out at ruck/maul.
And why would you do it, the same reason as you hit most rucks scrums etc etc etc, even when other team has it, to make tha ball as messy as possible. I not being rude, but thank f*** you fellas never played in teams with me or teams I coached, if you think going passive when opposition got ball!!
oh shut up Dan
I've just watched it, he absolutely came in the side. You old fuck, learn about the gate.
"going passive" jesus christ really? why didn't he just ruck a few dudes too. You know, that used to be totally okay 30 years ago as well
i'll go a step further, if he was anywhere near clearing out legally he'd be clearing the irish 7!
actually you know the worst bit about it? We are right on our line, Scotty Boy sets himself as the pillar defender, and then abandons it to dive in the side of the ruck. It did not cost us, but that is a bit hole inside Ta'avao now
It was mainly a timing issue, the Irish player reaches down to pick up the ball and SB starts going in the win the collision, but his timing was a tad early and he was not behind the hindmost feet. The Irish players seeing SB coming does not pick up the ball, hesitates and is hit by SB. If SB had simply waited another second or so for the Irish player to pick the ball and hit him hard it would have been fine.
The players are trying to win the collisions and SB just got the timing completely wrong and had committed to using his body to stop the opposition player scoring a try. These types of collisions happen multiple times a game when defending the line. We only pick out this one because SB got the timing wrong, and the Irish player used some intelligence to see what was happening.
I'd need to watch the replay again but I thought the ref very clearly called that he saw a shoulder to shoulder contact but played advantage for coming around too early.
Ireland 6 marginal on a dummy from the base (NZ free kick) which is what triggered Barrett to come at him. He made to pick up the ball then left it there. He isn't/wasn't bound to the ruck so if he had lifted the ball Barrett was full entitled to do what he did (except for the very high risk contact)
In breaking news, Cane’s injury from earlier this season has flared up and he’s been ruled out, Whitelock has caught COVID, Ardie has symptoms - Scott Barrett has been named AB captain
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
In breaking news, Cane’s injury from earlier this season has flared up and he’s been ruled out, Whitelock has caught COVID, Ardie has symptoms - Scott Barrett has been named AB captain
shit im scared this is serious
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
He actually didn't come in from side, that icture is rubbish, as that's where he ended up. I must be old, butFFS if that a card it's time to pack game in, it was and even in picture clearly shoulder on shoulder contact, and if you can't do that you can't clear out at ruck/maul.
And why would you do it, the same reason as you hit most rucks scrums etc etc etc, even when other team has it, to make tha ball as messy as possible. I not being rude, but thank f*** you fellas never played in teams with me or teams I coached, if you think going passive when opposition got ball!!oh shut up Dan
I've just watched it, he absolutely came in the side. You old fuck, learn about the gate.
"going passive" jesus christ really? why didn't he just ruck a few dudes too. You know, that used to be totally okay 30 years ago as well
Yep fair enough, I just went back on a video and he came from side, but, I repeat if we going to card people for that we in the shit with the game.
No it's not about rucking people, but you don't just stand there because other team has ball in ruck, or do you not want counterrucking where you blow teams back over the ball. That's my main point, is rugby is a game of contest, and if we ever get to the point where we say, ok they have got ball, I will wander off and stand elsewhere, we might as well watch League.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
i still don't understand how he wasn't penalised for in the side
He actually didn't come in from side, that icture is rubbish, as that's where he ended up. I must be old, butFFS if that a card it's time to pack game in, it was and even in picture clearly shoulder on shoulder contact, and if you can't do that you can't clear out at ruck/maul.
And why would you do it, the same reason as you hit most rucks scrums etc etc etc, even when other team has it, to make tha ball as messy as possible. I not being rude, but thank f*** you fellas never played in teams with me or teams I coached, if you think going passive when opposition got ball!!oh shut up Dan
I've just watched it, he absolutely came in the side. You old fuck, learn about the gate.
"going passive" jesus christ really? why didn't he just ruck a few dudes too. You know, that used to be totally okay 30 years ago as well
Yep fair enough, I just went back on a video and he came from side, but, I repeat if we going to card people for that we in the shit with the game.
No it's not about rucking people, but you don't just stand there because other team has ball in ruck, or do you not want counterrucking where you blow teams back over the ball. That's my main point, is rugby is a game of contest, and if we ever get to the point where we say, ok they have got ball, I will wander off and stand elsewhere, we might as well watch League.
i never said it was a red, but that's opening up for one with a high degree of risk, for no reward.
And it wasn't a counter-ruck, because as noted, then he hits the 7. I've done that heaps, especially because the 7s ribs are open and you can really hurt him
It was dumb because the ref is looking right at him, and he put himself in the refs hands, in 2022, with a reputation. And without a massive ref brainfart, that particular move will lever win us the ball.
But I'm most angry about him abandoning pillar right on the line
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus I disagree. Live at the ground it looked dodgy as hell, it really wasn't just a rugby incident or timing.
There was another ruck about the same time, I'll check it as well... It also looked dodgy
With all due respect NZZP, I really think live at ground the ref who was right there would of seen if it dodgy etc, and even TMO etc never seemed to call for replay.
I think almost every counter ruck is similar, and if we can't have shoulder to shoulder contact in rugby , we can't compete!
