All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in.

I think the issue is not the losses so much, it's the manner of the losses/performances.

If you look at things the ABs can control, things like their attacking shape, their defensive system, their kicking game, there are real problems there - the same problems that came up last year.

There's almost no sign of progress or change being made with the ABs.

Despite 12 months of superior form from Samisoni the likes of Codie Taylor are nailed on starters etc.

Yep and that is more a sensible post, and not against them mate, just the rantings of many on here, and not looking at other good teams. , and their strengths. Irish are I still say a bloody good rugby team, and do think the NH do tend to be able to change game plans better than us, , and I think is helped by their club and 6N comps wheer they play such a variety of teams and styles week in and out. I also think we seeing the loss of SA from super starting to show.

Why start Nepo? It's not like our scrum creaks against Ireland with that second row pushing. And Nepo offers less than nothing around the ground.

Hooker with the most impact can't get into the 23.

Most ineffective blindside flanker to start.

Greatest second half impact backrower starts.

Sotutu must have a broken leg.

At least Havili is there to straighten the line...

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

so, yep, change at tighthead absolutely called for.
No change at hooker bar getting rid of our best one is, interesting (again i assume he's hurt or sick)
Whitelock in a no brainer
The like SB at 6 so him going back there a no brainer
Savea is the best player in the world so him staying a no brainer
It was obvious to everyone that the reason we lost was QT played fucking shit so getting DH back in a no brainer
Jordan had to play, no brainer.

Bench picks itself given the above selections, except RTS which is, interesting to say the least

we are nothing if not predictable.

I agree with Havili as he offers us versatily at 12 that perhaps Tupaea doesn't offer (and I a Tupaea fan), I too wonder if ST is injured or something(or is it scrumming?), though maybe we mssied something. I a little surprised that RTS is ahead of Goodhue in reserves, but again not sure how he has recovered from covid, some take a bit of getting over it.

Gone for experience. Mostly ok, would have had Jack for his defensive qualities starting. But if he doesn’t start then he won’t make the bench. RTS is just odd. Given his error rate, a big call.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I wonder if Samisoni is injured.

That can be the only reason he isn't in the 23, or rightfully starting. Otherwise - WTF!!!

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kirwan

The cards had a huge impact. A poor All Blacks side that played a bit shit tired them out and won by 23 in the first Test

Keep 15 on the field and keep the game moving

Agree.

Death, taxes, there will be cards this test…

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Why start Nepo? It's not like our scrum creaks against Ireland with that second row pushing. And Nepo offers less than nothing around the ground.

I am happy that Ofa has paid for his terrible performance. It goes without saying that it would be much better if we had a better alternative than Nepo.

@ACT-Crusader at least they will give us something to chat/moan about next week...

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

Don't know what the reason is that Sotutu doesn't get a run, but if they're not going to use him, can they please bring in Cullen Grace for the Rugby Championship?

Taylor has done f all to warrant his spot. ST better be injured.

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

Yep and certainly takes away any thoughts of conservative picks. I guess time to see if he stays for RC too?

@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Taylor has done f all to warrant his spot. ST better be injured.

Strange call to leave Taukei’aho out unless injured.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Don't know what the reason is that Sotutu doesn't get a run, but if they're not going to use him, can they please bring in Cullen Grace for the Rugby Championship?

I wonder if that part of it Star? Have they already decided that Grace has made a statement for MABs, so will not gavie Sotutu a run. Also after this week a smaller squad has to be named for RC anyway, so some will miss out.

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Yep and certainly takes away any thoughts of conservative picks.

On the bench maybe.

The starting XV is a different matter.

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

@Nepia rugby is 15, so will be close to same then

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Don't know what the reason is that Sotutu doesn't get a run, but if they're not going to use him, can they please bring in Cullen Grace for the Rugby Championship?

I wonder if that part of it Star? Have they already decided that Grace has made a statement for MABs, so will not gavie Sotutu a run. Also after this week a smaller squad has to be named for RC anyway, so some will miss out.

Although, why (if it happened) ditch Sotutu though when PGS has had a poor start to internationals?

Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

with all due respect @Dan54 you are talking absolute shit and you can jam your "so called supporters" and your made-up argument about people here don't know the opposition.

It appears you consider yourself just so much more enlightened than the rest of us, but really you are just sanctimonious. You know what? stay and watch your Div 2 club play, revel in just how grounded and grass roots you are.

touch a nerve huh? But I already paid a grand for test so no way I not using those tickets anyway. Not more enlightened mate, just get disappointed at behaviour etc of some of our fans not giving credit.to others, and wonder if it because of how a lot seem to assume we should win everything is all.
And by the way, you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.

@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Don't know what the reason is that Sotutu doesn't get a run, but if they're not going to use him, can they please bring in Cullen Grace for the Rugby Championship?

I wonder if that part of it Star? Have they already decided that Grace has made a statement for MABs, so will not gavie Sotutu a run. Also after this week a smaller squad has to be named for RC anyway, so some will miss out.

Although, why (if it happened) ditch Sotutu though when PGS has had a poor start to internationals?

Yeah, that's just weird. Probably it's just due to something we're not seeing and that they're seeing at training (?).

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.

lol fuck off

no nerve touched, i just wonder why people like you even come here?

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

Auckland test he came on and did all the tackling for all the team. Something like 13 tackles in 20 minutes. Taylor made 6 in the 60 minutes before that.

@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

and coached
and served on the committee for a decade

but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

@Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

But Samisoni is effective at test level.

He was effective on the weekend.

He got 25 minutes off the bench when were one man down and made the most running metres of any AB forward in the game.

so i assume the presser hasn't happened

what does selection tell us?

Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

Last game he made the 4th most metres ball in hand only behind Jordie, Jordan and Rieko.

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

Last game he made the 4th most metres ball in hand only behind Jordie, Jordan and Rieko.

so other than tackling and ball carrying he's adding fuck all? gotcha

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

and coached
and served on the committee for a decade

but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

Must be the impression you give

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

and coached
and served on the committee for a decade

but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

Must be the impression you give

no, that impression of being a bombastic know-it-all but with little clue is actually real, but not because i have no clubland links

Media release:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

Coming back to this post. You either haven't watched him playing in black or are thinking of someone else. There is no way in hell that comment can be justified.
No stats required to see him driving forward and making tackles better than anyone else we have. You could even rate him among the best in the world at hooker.
If he isn't injured I'll will remove all benefit of doubt I have been giving these coaches.

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.