All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Seriously guys, who is our centre cover? Surely not Jordie…

Reece?

He’s actually not that bad at it in a poor man’s Snakey sort of mould.

Allgood we can just pop Ardie in there if needed. Imagine a midfield of RTS and ASav, that would be out the gate.

That’s an origin pair of backs right there…

Ardie Capewell with the crucial try

I’ve already got Dane Gagai, I mean Coles to score the final try

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Seriously guys, who is our centre cover? Surely not Jordie…

Reece?

He’s actually not that bad at it in a poor man’s Snakey sort of mould.

Allgood we can just pop Ardie in there if needed. Imagine a midfield of RTS and ASav, that would be out the gate.

That’s an origin pair of backs right there…

Ardie Capewell with the crucial try

I’ve already got Dane Gagai, I mean Coles to score the final try

queeNZlander!!!!!!!!

so didnt get through whole thing, but about 6.20 mark he says he wanted to play all three hookers through his series and he thought CT was playing really well..

so looks like ST dropped..anyone get through the whole interview before the fern (including myself) loses it?

@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

so didnt get through whole thing, but about 6.20 mark he says he wanted to play all three hookers through his series and he thought CT was playing really well..

so looks like ST dropped..anyone get through the whole interview before the fern (including myself) loses it?

THAT FAT MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!

by far the worst selection decision of the series

defies belief.

Cody Taylor sucks at rugby.

@bayimports we picked 3 hookers and wanted to give each a run, we also picked 1 specialist 8, but decided not to give him a run..

That press conference really annoys me.

Not one person asked about Hoskins.

Sick work nz journos.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

That press conference really annoys me.

Not one person asked about Hoskins.

Sick work nz journos.

It's so frustrating. Most of the questions are about feelings.. you can tell the stories are pre-written and they are just after a quote that matches the tone

It's not just a question about Sotutu. Are there any injuries in the squad? How far away is Clarke? Who is covering 13? etc

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.

Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.

I hope you also gave him a massive KFC voucher.
He isn't getting any sleeker.

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Seriously guys, who is our centre cover? Surely not Jordie…

Reece?

He’s actually not that bad at it in a poor man’s Snakey sort of mould.

Jordie is ok at 13 you mean? Sure. I just think they shouldn't juggle him around too many positions. FB, wing, 12, 10 cover, now 13 cover?

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

That press conference really annoys me.

Not one person asked about Hoskins.

Sick work nz journos.

Unless these have changed often the journos just ask generic questions in the open press conference but save other questions for their one-on-one to get a scoop. But based on some articles I've read just regurgitating quotes usually proves how lazy/useless they are.

If ST was dumped for Taylor I will not know what to say.
Taylor is missing impact, passes, tackles... seems to have slipped mightily since a few years ago.

I'm not so upset about Hoskins, a fine 8 in the making but it is getting to the stage where I worry this ABs setup will give him some bad habits...

@Duluth probably have questions vetted prior, I mean did anyone mention Ireland have never won a series in NZ, I mean some only found out they'd never won here before, so ideally they shouldn't need the obvious pointing out, but...

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?

Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .

Haven't read through all the responses yet, but... short answer is YES.
If Ireland thump us, and England thump Australia - we drop to 5th, England to 4th.
I can't remember the points difference defining a "thumping"... more than 15 points?

@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?

Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .

Haven't read through all the responses yet, but... short answer is YES.
If Ireland thump us, and England thump Australia - we drop to 5th, England to 4th.
I can't remember the points difference defining a "thumping"... more than 15 points?

I put in 12-30 loses of Oz and NZ

1 (↑2) Ireland 90.65 (+1.86)
2 (↓1) France 89.41
3 (-0) South Africa 88.61
4 (↑5) England 86.81 (+1.67)
5 (↓4) New Zealand 86.31 (-1.86)
6 (↑7) Scotland 82.99
7 (↓6) Australia 81.61 (-1.67)

@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Duluth probably have questions vetted prior, I mean did anyone mention Ireland have never won a series in NZ, I mean some only found out they'd never won here before, so ideally they shouldn't need the obvious pointing out, but...

Really. Didn't know that.
Shucks, I thought it was all about the jersey and the mana.

If we lose this game, if we lose this series, I can't see how Foster can continue as AB coach. He will have zero credibility with the players and fans. His job is on the line this weekend.

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

If we lose this game, if we lose this series, I can't see how Foster can continue as AB coach. He will have zero credibility with the players and fans. His job is on the line this weekend.

NZR have been very quiet, haven't they?
Maybe his KPI just says "announce learnings postmatch".

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 Big Grace fan (as you can see from previous posts) and I think Sotutu and Grace should be in the ABs as specialist No.8s competing for the position against each other. But you'd think Sotutu would get a go first and foremost if they were taking this line of thought? His SR form was great (he had a big improvement in physicality), his No.8 skills off the back of the scrum are exceptional... and yet he hasn't been sighted.

Yep and Grace didn't really come on until end of season, so Sotutu got the jump. Think perhaps also PGS also had a big impact earlier in Super than Grace. Regardless I really think at this stage Ardie is just about our best player and he is (whether some like it or not) 8 too. I was on Grace bandwagon big time a couple of years back, and he seemed to of not really come on until second late in super rugby, and think somehow that Super final may just be his breakout performance that will set him up, though I suspect could be after WC that he really cements spot.

I reckon there might have been a few changes if Fozzie had named his squad after the Super Rugby final. Grace might have pushed PGS and Fozzie might have looked again at the Crusaders tighthead props. Those are places I'd be looking at for the next squad.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.

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That’s the one I looked at. Easier to use than Lassen. You just have to use a NH calendar

Not shocked by the selection ... mainly...

Haven't read the thread, but is there any word on Samisoni's ommission? Any injury?

Was the only surprise/disappointment for me.

And I expect much of the comment on here will be around that.

Pretty predictable team.

I wonder if Jack Goodhue isn't fully fit or whether Fozzie's just preferred Havili - who from what I've seen is a better kicking option than Jack.

Will Jordan in for Big Leicester improves that aspect as well. (FLASH AH, AHHHH....)!!!

As with others, ST and RTS (non) selections are pretty surprising. Otherwise it's pretty predictable. Sotutu not getting a run is a bit unfortunate, but I can see why they want Ardie on the field.

Even as a Mo'unga fan, I wonder whether they should have given Perofeta his spot on the bench. I don't really hold with the idea of tactically substituting your first five and Perofeta sufficiently covers first five in case of injury.

Our forwards have been problematic for three years. Plumtree has never coached a dominant forward pack. How he leads the AB's in this area is bemusing. Our loose trio has been out of balance and will continue to be until we pick a genuine number 8. Ardie is not an 8 and goes missing in his core role. We need an 8 that can get us over the gain-line from static ball & shift bodies at the breakdown. Barrett at 6 and Cane at 7 is a requirement when you have an 8 like Ardie. Pick him at 7 if we think he is the best openside (I personally don't think he is) but let's get an 8 that can perform the core role required.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Havili in means probably as much if not more aimless kicking, just by someone else.

Fixed

Haven't read the thread yet. I'm going to calmly go back and read now and see Taukieaho is unavailable, right?

I'd have thought Havili might need to be fb cover in case the backline needs shuffling, sure Jordan can replace JB but who would replace a winger? Don't tell me JB is wing as well as midfield cover!??

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

If ST was dumped for Taylor I will not know what to say.
Taylor is missing impact, passes, tackles... seems to have slipped mightily since a few years ago.

I'm not so upset about Hoskins, a fine 8 in the making but it is getting to the stage where I worry this ABs setup will give him some bad habits...

Looks like he was “dumped” for Coles given Taylor is in the same spot he has been all series…

Just on Taylor, his attack was okay in Test 1. Thought his throwing and support play was starting to come good. His tight work wasn’t where we needed it and then he was shocking last weekend. And Sami wasn’t great either. Only front rower that played okay was Bower I thought.

Anyway I have a little bit of faith that he will come out with a bit of fire and step up.

I never thought Sotutu would get a start in this series but thought he may have been a bench option, but they clearly like the Dalton option.

@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

so i assume the presser hasn't happened

what does selection tell us?

Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another at least one kicking option,

Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.

And Nonu and Conrad

Akira to score the winning try with three Irishmen hanging off him.

@Bones

@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.

lol fuck off

no nerve touched, i just wonder why people like you even come here?

so I'm not the oldest Ferner!

Bastard!!!!!!

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

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" What that tells Havili is that he will not play 80min. "

I'd have thought Havili might need to be fb cover in case the backline needs shuffling, sure Jordan can replace JB but who would replace a winger? Don't tell me JB is wing as well as midfield cover!??

I'm not sure why that's in reply to a post about Taukieaho.

Anyway I've read the thread now and am fucking gobsmacked. Lost what little faith I had left in this coaching group, what a bunch of Fucktards.

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.

Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.

Are you guys going for breakfast ?

@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.

Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.

Are you guys going for breakfast ?

@jegga ‘s reserved a table

Just when you think Foster couldn't surprise you anymore, he explains the omission of ST with "we wanted to give all 3 hookers a run".

It's quite staggering when you step back and read that explanation.

It's the sort of thing I'd expect from the coach of my U9 sons soccer team. To hear it as the reason for including a bloke who has played 80 tests for NZ , at the expense of the best #2 in the squad, in a series-deciding game at home, is truly astonishing.

Unbelievable

@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Just when you think Foster couldn't surprise you anymore, he explains the omission of ST with "we wanted to give all 3 hookers a run".

It's quite staggering when you step back and read that explanation.

It's the sort of thing I'd expect from the coach of my U9 sons soccer team. To hear it as the reason for including a bloke who has played 80 tests for NZ , at the expense of the best #2 in the squad, in a series-deciding game at home, is truly astonishing.

Unbelievable

If they want to give all 3 hookers a run, why is the worst one starting all 3 tests and playing far too many minutes when he does so? It's a staggeringly bullshit explanation.

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I will add that last night it occured to me what I finding most disconcerting about the position we find ourselves in (or ABs) and the reaction on rugby forums. We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in. When I was thinking of it I was thinking how much as a rugby nation we used to enjoy and celebrate bloody good teams and players, 71 Lions tour the whole of NZ knew all the Lion's players, and while wanting ABs to win would seemingly enjoy the Edwards, Johns, Gibson ete, etc skils, same as Wallabies when they had the likes of Ella, Campese, Eales etc, why has it in internet days changed where we can't give the likes of Doris, Sexton etc credit for being good players? I an starting to understand why maybe AB supporters are disliked by others at times.
Ok my rant over, but I think it came to me when I wondered why I was disappointed to miss club rugby this weekend while going to test, and that's one thing that came to mind, we don't think it our right to win at the club etc.

It's not about a 'right to win', it's frustration with no game plan, seeing talented players underperform, and weird selections not based on form.
As for not celebrating players from other countries - for me and many others on here, that is just bullshit. We're not talking about O'driscoll, Horan, Eales, Dusattoir, Burger etc - we're talking about James Lowe and JGP beating the ABs, a team they couldn't make.

There is a proof, how do we know they wouldn't have made ABs? Hell look at Isaac Boss people said the same about him, and ignore the fact he turned down AB jersey when selected. I agree Lowe and JGP are better players than they appeared when they left country, and speaks to me of a very good club comp they are in, also shows what I mean in comparing the teams, you can only name NZ players in Irish team. I am disappointed as anyone , but reamain of the opinion we need to look at other teams and how good somw of their players are. All you did was rubbish Lowe and JGP and not actually given them credit for being good players.

Because Aaron Smith is far superior, and back when Lowe started becoming Irish it'd be Ben Smith and Rieko Ioane, give or take. I have no idea what your point is with Isaac Boss.
I can't only name the NZ players, I used them as an example. There's a difference. Nor did I rubbish them, I just said they couldn't make the ABs, which is an indication that Ireland do not have the better players, which supports the argument understood by most that our coaches are fucking things up.
How about you start arguing points rather than using your posts to make arrogant assumptions about why the people disagreeing with you must be wrong?

Well now I've seen it all. He's fixing the physicality, by dropping our most physical player.