Do you think Razor would want this team now? I wonder if he would prefer to take the gig after the WC?
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
Do you think Razor would want this team now? I wonder if he would prefer to take the gig after the WC?
100% he would want it.
He'll back himself to turn it around and keep going after the WC.
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
Do you think Razor would want this team now? I wonder if he would prefer to take the gig after the WC?
If he takes over now and wins the RWC it would be the greatest AB coach achievement ever. That’s tempting!
@Machpants Schmidt is there, has head coach experience, he could be interim until they negotiate with Razor, who we know is likely only in if he is running the ship.
What’s sad is all this could be avoided. They basically signalled to every and all other NZ coaches (rennie, Joseph etc etc etc) that they woujd be appointing foster, gave Robertson an interview for the form…and then appointed a guy whose CV shows zero zilch nada success as head coach.
We need a complete and total break with the Henry-Hansen era.
I think the players have 100% the support of the public, everyone can see that foster is a busted flush. There is no shame losing narrowly to Ireland, france etc (especially in Paris or Dublin), but no obvious gameplan leading to fairly comprehensive defeats in nZ is just not acceptable.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants Schmidt is there, has head coach experience, he could be interim until they negotiate with Razor, who we know is likely only in if he is running the ship.
He doesn't want to do it, so it's not an option. He'd have to commit, not something he wants.
If Erasmus can turn a team around, in much worse state than the ABs, razor would have no problem
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants Schmidt is there, has head coach experience, he could be interim until they negotiate with Razor, who we know is likely only in if he is running the ship.
Razor is the biggest example of rugby coaching excellence most of these players know below test level. He has either coached these boys to titles or beaten the brakes of the rest. It's his time.
@chimoaus Look at the quick improvements the Black Ferns have made since they changed coaches earlier this year. It may not be enough for the women's World Cup this year, but the improvements are undeniable. Razor would have more time with the ABs. Even if the ABs don't win the 2023 RWC, he will be able to improve their performance enough to avoid a complete embarrassement. We may lose to France, but it may be a close contest instead of an annihilation.
The Foster era for is summed up by the selection of Karl. The guy is far from a lock in the 23 let alone the starting XV. And he’s going overseas. “We think he is our best LH scrummager”.
If Roberson takes over there will be some nervous props in the current squad and some expectant ones outside it.
(Except for Karl - he’s going overseas)
@Stargazer said in Will Foster go?:
Has anyone checked the airports, yet? Has Razor already returned from Fiji?
Yes, last week. I saw him go
@Machpants I did say he could do it while they negotiated with Razor, I am sure he'd be ok with that (he did it while Fozzie had Covid...) given if Razor was offered it he'd need to select TRC squad, so it wouldnt be a long process...that is assuming, things change.
@Billy-Tell I'm totally with you. Foster, Plumtree, and McLeod all need to be gone. Nothing changed tactically between the 2nd and 3rd tests. Once again found out by a rushing defence, which everybody knew Ireland would use. Absolutely zero in the way of creativity. Our only tactics in the backline appeared to be crash the middle or kick pass. Ireland were fantastic, but we all knew the Northern hemisphere teams were catching up and fast, but we've done nothing to stay ahead of the pack. It's time for Schmidt, Robertson,and if they can get him Gatland. Let them bring in others if the want.
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
Do you think Razor would want this team now? I wonder if he would prefer to take the gig after the WC?
So long as his contract extends past the World Cup.
First this shit show has to be turned around.
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
Jason Ryan would be a lock in.
I would say he would love to get O'Gara back but I think he is pretty entrenched where is is.
Leon McDonald could be a chance they are good mates.
Andrew Goodman if he could get him back from Leinster.
Clayton McMillan another coach who gets on well with Razor.
All would be in Razor's mind I think.
@Chris said in Foster must go:
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
Jason Ryan would be a lock in.
I would say he would love to get O'Gara back but I think he is pretty entrenched where is is.
Leon McDonald could be a chance they are good mates.
Andrew Goodman if he could get him back from Leinster.
Clayton McMillan another coach who gets on well with Razor.All would be in Razor's mind I think.
So Fozzie to the Chiefs, Mooar to the Crusaders and Plumtree to the Blues, straight swap to keep them on the books?
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
Jason Ryan would be a lock in.
I would say he would love to get O'Gara back but I think he is pretty entrenched where is is.
Leon McDonald could be a chance they are good mates.
Andrew Goodman if he could get him back from Leinster.
Clayton McMillan another coach who gets on well with Razor.All would be in Razor's mind I think.
So Fozzie to the Chiefs, Mooar to the Crusaders and Plumtree to the Blues, straight swap to keep them on the books?
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It isn't just Foster and just replacing Foster almost certainly won't fix things on it's own. We need far deeper analysis & change. When you have businesses performing as poorly as this team, you need to look at what has happened and why and identify the root causes of the problems and then fix them. That's up to NZR.
I'm not going to step back into my career, but one example: We have two All-Time Greats at 4 & 5 nearing the end of the road with no clear succession planning until last year when Foster blooded Lord and Vaii - it was all about hoping Pat T would come right or sticking a 6 in at lock. There's a 10+ year gap in age between those two pairs. Ditto Hooker with Coles & Taylor
That really isn't Foster's fault (and to give him credit, he's been very open to developing new players) but down to previous Head coaches and selections.
So who in NZR was responsible for spotting this, didn't notice, express concerns and help fix the lack of succession planning in key positions? Did they have a process in place to identify and action issues like this? If not then why?
Plenty of people other than the Coaching team need to take a good hard look at themselves, accept they have had a part in the problem and either fix it or bugger off and get someone else in to sort the problems out.
An enterprising journo needs to get the good oil on what the players are thinking. Plainly, they are an unhappy crew. Foster pulling Cane 15 minutes before the final whistle in Wellington suggested he was trying to make his own captain the patsy for the tripe that was served up. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark Aotearoa.
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
There's a process to sort shit out?
@ploughboy said in Foster must go:
foster to stay to be joined by gatland and schmidt
That scenario would only work if Foster took up a "weekend at Bernie's" style role
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
would seem ridiculous that his role wouldn't include KPIs around winning.
You would think so, but you'd be amazed at what's not included at top levels of management in failing organisations
SENZ: FORMER ALL BLACK PLEADS IAN FOSTER TO DO “WHAT’S BEST FOR THE TEAM” AND RESIGN
Former All Black Steve Devine has predicted Ian Foster will no longer be head coach by “6:30pm tonight.”
The national side lost their first series to Ireland in history on Saturday evening to cap off a disappointing year and a half of international rugby.
Under Foster’s leadership, the All Blacks have achieved just a 66.7 per cent win rate, which as the worst in the side’s professional history, has prompted many to call for his resignation.
Devine has weighed in on the situation and believes that if Foster wants to do what’s “best for the team” he should step down before August’s Rugby Championship.
“We have heard from the All Blacks for the last 30 years … it’s not about an individual, it’s about the player and it’s about what’s best for the team,” Devine said on SENZ’s The Rugby Run.
“So right now, what is best for the team … and if Ian Foster asks himself that question, I can’t see him being coach by 6:30pm tonight.
“What’s best for the team? That’s the question that needs to be asked right now.”
Devine has cited a lack of adaptability and enterprise as the main reasoning behind his call for Foster to resign, as the side has continued to make the same mistakes week after week.
With the Rugby World Cup just around the corner in 2023, the former national player believes it is best for the All Blacks to embark on a new direction without him at the helm.
“It’s the same mistakes every week,” Devine continued.
“We’re not winning the kicking battle, we’re not attacking … we’re big strong rugby players that play Super Rugby, who like to run and throw the ball around yet we turn up in an All Blacks jumper and we’re standing flat on attack.
“We’re not carrying and we’re looking around … it’s just not gelling.
“To me, I’ve had coaches that when it’s been good, everything is easy and everything goes well and when we’ve had coaches that haven’t been good, then that’s what we get.
“From where I’m looking, that’s what I’m seeing. It’s just not gelling at all.”
Following the All Blacks’ failure to front the media on Sunday morning, it seems decisions may be made around Foster’s future sooner rather than later
@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
I’m fucking counting down.
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
I’m fucking counting down.
It's getting close to pitchfork time
What is damning
This run of result's isn't one year where a guy can make a case he can go away and fix it
2020 wasn't good
2021 finished badly
We've come back at the start of 2022 with the same old rubbish. I think there is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
It's also really important that the people that made the decision to appoint Foster instead of another more highly credentialed coach be held accountable for that decision. More than just Foster needs to go.
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
I thinkthere is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
you dont need "I think" in there, 4 losses form our last 5, and how many games in between the SA loss and the 1st Irish Loss in 2021, 3?, so 5 losses from our last 8 outings?
Take out Fiji, Tonga, USA and Italy in the past 24 months she is pretty bleak reading!
11 wins, 7 losses and a draw...57.9% win ratio
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
What is damning
This run of result's isn't one year where a guy can make a case he can go away and fix it
2020 wasn't good
2021 finished badlyWe've come back at the start of 2022 with the same old rubbish. I think there is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
We've been trying to combat the rush defence since 2017, it is the entire NZR and Hansen jobs for the boys shit that is the problem. Add to NZR's awful work with our 'closest' partners (SR shit), and internal stakeholders (Silverlake shit) points to them all resigning by 630!
@nzzp said in Foster must go:
Someone said there was an 0900 press conference this morning. Anyone got any sauce?
Also, continuing the theme, autocorrect press went to pies. Go Foster
I'm down with a pies conference. I'll even take one for the team.
I wonder how NZ would react if Razor did take over and the ABs were still bundled out in the WC quarters. Because that could still very well happen.
And I don't expect Razor to unlock the rush defence. The Saders have had trouble dealing with the Chiefs when they have executed their version of it well.
@junior said in Foster must go:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
“There is a certain type of New Zealander on social media. Chances are they are commenting on this very story right now, probably making spelling errors and thinking that they represent a modern, common sense attitude towards the All Blacks and rugby in general. Chances are they haven't and won't actually read this either.”
I think he’s talking about old mate @Dan54 here
Never accept mediocrity mate, just don't pretend to know all the answers,I also know I have never yet seen perfection in a game. I just got home from test (stayed in Wellington etc), hey thats why I come in here to see what they are, and you will obviously be able to enlighten me. Lol
@SBW1 said in Foster must go:
@Chris Tamati Ellison as defense coach he has be phenomenal with the Crusaders. 200 plus tackles v the Chiefs setting a new Super Rugby record, what better credentials would he need.
Yes he has been Awesome he would be in the mix.