Who are you watching as priority?

@ACT-Crusader said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Stargazer said in Who are you watching as priority?:

I read the question wrong and picked BFs.

If both games were on Sky, I'd indeed watch the BFs live because it's a World Cup QF and the ABs game is just a meaningless money grab. But I don't have Spark Sport, so I'll watch the ABs live and the replay of the BFs game on TV3.

We are growing the game….

I think it’s a good fixture heading into a northern tour.

ne too. we (and every other top side) should play more nations of this level rather than just big money fixtures.

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean I am actually very surprised how narrow your view is.

It's professional sport. Finances matter.

Yes, value is financial and, as mentioned, the numbers have been calculated and don’t support your argument. The women’s game brings in more money than it spends.

Show me the data.

We are both talking about finances. Sponsors put in money because they see benefits. They see benefits to themselves in supporting the game as a whole, including the womens game. If the womens game wasn't there they wouldn't see as much benefit.
I dont know how much clearer I can make it.

The irony here is I'm feeling you're being deliberately obtuse. Sponsorship implies a positive return from association with a brand. If that return isn't financial (advertising outlay for the same exposure, purchasing of products by fans etc.) then it's ESG related - warm and fuzzies.

The data isn't released publically. I am going of statements by Rob Nicholl.

Then I'm sceptical based on real world examples practically everywhere else.

"Warm and Fuzzies" and "Financial Return" are not mutually exclusive.

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@kiwiinmelb said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Frank said in Who are you watching as priority?:

Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.

Here in Australia they play a womens version of afl ,

I find that one to be the worst of the womens football codes , the skills required to play that game seem to be more difficult for them to master .

There's too many teams in the AFLW, which dilutes the talent and its value as a sporting spectacle. This is most noticeable when a team can't score a single goal in the entire match.

Case in point:

• Crows vs Giants. Giants scored a single solitary behind and were thumped 97 - 1.
• Kangaroos vs Swans. Swans matched the Giants' scoring prowess. And got beaten by 68 points.
• Power vs Crows. Power scored three behinds to lose by 60.

my view is that the AFL size field is just too big for the women. They aren't quick enough, nor can they kick far enough. Make the field smaller and i think the game gets better

There are some great female athletes playing. But not enough, and even then...

i still fucking love Orla O'Dwyer though

@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean I am actually very surprised how narrow your view is.

It's professional sport. Finances matter.

Yes, value is financial and, as mentioned, the numbers have been calculated and don’t support your argument. The women’s game brings in more money than it spends.

Show me the data.

We are both talking about finances. Sponsors put in money because they see benefits. They see benefits to themselves in supporting the game as a whole, including the womens game. If the womens game wasn't there they wouldn't see as much benefit.
I dont know how much clearer I can make it.

The irony here is I'm feeling you're being deliberately obtuse. Sponsorship implies a positive return from association with a brand. If that return isn't financial (advertising outlay for the same exposure, purchasing of products by fans etc.) then it's ESG related - warm and fuzzies.

The data isn't released publically. I am going of statements by Rob Nicholl.

Then I'm sceptical based on real world examples practically everywhere else.

"Warm and Fuzzies" and "Financial Return" are not mutually exclusive.

Sure, profits give me warm and fuzzies.

@mariner4life they have two less players on the field than the men. I never quite got that because the so called justification for it -“open the game up” doesn’t stack up. There’s also the “we want to be unique to the men” angle that I’ve heard a few times.

Get 18 on the field, do the 6-6-6 thing and the game will be better just from that.

@mariner4life said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@kiwiinmelb said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Frank said in Who are you watching as priority?:

Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.

Here in Australia they play a womens version of afl ,

I find that one to be the worst of the womens football codes , the skills required to play that game seem to be more difficult for them to master .

There's too many teams in the AFLW, which dilutes the talent and its value as a sporting spectacle. This is most noticeable when a team can't score a single goal in the entire match.

Case in point:

• Crows vs Giants. Giants scored a single solitary behind and were thumped 97 - 1.
• Kangaroos vs Swans. Swans matched the Giants' scoring prowess. And got beaten by 68 points.
• Power vs Crows. Power scored three behinds to lose by 60.

my view is that the AFL size field is just too big for the women. They aren't quick enough, nor can they kick far enough. Make the field smaller and i think the game gets better

There are some great female athletes playing. But not enough, and even then...

i still fucking love Orla O'Dwyer though

I watch richmond a bit but havent seen all the teams, but they do have a little midfielder monique conti who is a great little player ,(apparently was a good basketballer too ) , but she is almost too good for her teammates will make a great play swerving and beating defenders with her pace and then hit a teammate with a beautiful drilling kick and then they cant catch it

She is on a different level

The advent of women's professional teams in traditional male sports needs to concentrate talent so the games are as high quality as possible and competitive between teams. The skill level across the competitions will naturally increase as a result of uptake at an earlier age and access to professional coaching.

The difference in women's soccer between now and only a decade ago is huge.

Have to say talk about 1st world problems, I will decide as I go, will watch the ABs first half and then play it by ear. I know it a cock up by someone in NZR, but really is it the end of the world?
Wayne Smith jokes he may waych ABs whil watching the woman , but will need to hold his phone below bench so noone on tv sees him. For christ sake there has to be more important things to worry about, I know of a few who say the will be watching the cricket anyway so.........................

@kiwiinmelb said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@mariner4life said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@antipodean said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@kiwiinmelb said in Who are you watching as priority?:

@Frank said in Who are you watching as priority?:

Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.

Here in Australia they play a womens version of afl ,

I find that one to be the worst of the womens football codes , the skills required to play that game seem to be more difficult for them to master .

There's too many teams in the AFLW, which dilutes the talent and its value as a sporting spectacle. This is most noticeable when a team can't score a single goal in the entire match.

Case in point:

• Crows vs Giants. Giants scored a single solitary behind and were thumped 97 - 1.
• Kangaroos vs Swans. Swans matched the Giants' scoring prowess. And got beaten by 68 points.
• Power vs Crows. Power scored three behinds to lose by 60.

my view is that the AFL size field is just too big for the women. They aren't quick enough, nor can they kick far enough. Make the field smaller and i think the game gets better

There are some great female athletes playing. But not enough, and even then...

i still fucking love Orla O'Dwyer though

I watch richmond a bit but havent seen all the teams, but they do have a little midfielder monique conti who is a great little player ,(apparently was a good basketballer too ) , but she is almost too good for her teammates will make a great play swerving and beating defenders with her pace and then hit a teammate with a beautiful drilling kick and then they cant catch it

She is on a different level

She played in the WNBL for Bulleen and repped Aussie as a junior. She has terrific footwork and hand eye coordination. She’s not tall and I think she’s still playing Bball in the footy off-season but at the NBL1 level only.

Yeah the skills are going to take some time to even up and I think the AFL are in for the long haul so it’s a matter of when and not if.

I am going to be watching history made.

Japan has beaten the Boks, Ireland Scotland and Wales. Their time has come.

The team from 1995 will look on with pride.

Ive been pretty impressed by the BFs. Only area where I see a demonstrable difference is the range on the kicks, whether sideline conversions or kicking for territory. The men have more range. Some of the back line moves have been super slick.

@Billy-Tell Wayne Smith!

Pretty gusty conditions up here right now, warm, but dry at moment (been a couple of showers through the day so far)

@Billy-Tell said in Who are you watching as priority?:

Ive been pretty impressed by the BFs. Only area where I see a demonstrable difference is the range on the kicks, whether sideline conversions or kicking for territory. The men have more range. Some of the back line moves have been super slick.

Range on kicks is a problem (although the games at Whangarei and Waitakere have often had a decent breeze which hasn't helped as well). The 'weakness' that actually makes for a good game at times is the width and speed of passing. Team that are smart compress a bit and stand closer but then if then can move the ball wider there is lots more room than the men's game.

To be frank (ba dum tish) with the misogynists, BF are great. Super well coached and in Fitzpatrick and Fluhler they have their Nonu and Smith. The men’s XV could emulate their use of when to pick n go and when to spin it. Cocksedge took the right options but still too slow. I have no idea why Demant was relieved of the goal kicking.

@Billy-Tell said in Who are you watching as priority?:

To be frank (ba dum tish) with the misogynists, BF are great. Super well coached and in Fitzpatrick and Fluhler they have their Nonu and Smith. The men’s XV could emulate their use of when to pick n go and when to spin it. Cocksedge took the right options but still too slow. I have no idea why Demant was relieved of the goal kicking.

Maybe the game was over as a contest and they wanted to get Holmes some kicking reps in a real game

@Billy-Tell said in Who are you watching as priority?:

To be frank (ba dum tish) with the misogynists, BF are great. Super well coached and in Fitzpatrick and Fluhler they have their Nonu and Smith. The men’s XV could emulate their use of when to pick n go and when to spin it. Cocksedge took the right options but still too slow. I have no idea why Demant was relieved of the goal kicking.

So not watching or being interested in the BFs is misogynistic? Or did I misunderstand you?

I haven't seen any comments on here that reflect that attitude. Just people expressing a preference and giving reasons why. I prefer women's Netball to men's Netball. Does that make me prejudice against men?