EPL 2022 / 2023

Bovidae

Two down, one to go for Man City. And that's the big prize!

KiwiPie

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Counting next season 46 teams have appeared in the EPL. That's pretty good going as it's almost half the top 4 Divisions. Only 4 teams will have spent a single season in the PL and two of them will be Luton and Coventry.

For all their successes and failures (noted by @Kiwipie above) Leicester have only spent 14 seasons at the top level which places them 14th equal on the appearances table.

Coventry were in the EPL for the first few years.

dogmeat

@KiwiPie sorry i meant to say this century.

I don't count LBF (League Before Fulham)

KiwiPie

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@KiwiPie sorry i meant to say this century.

I don't count LBF (League Before Fulham)

Is that 46 this century? How many in total?

dogmeat

@KiwiPie OK I have updated my spreadsheet to include the seasons prior to 2000

There are now 51 teams that have featured in the EPL since its inception in 1992.

The five additions are
Barnsley (1 season)
Blackpool (1)
Bradford (2)
Sheffield Wednesday (8)
Swindon (1)

Here they all are with my arbitrary classification into bands

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Bovidae

Ange Postecoglou seems to be firming as the new Spurs manager. It's quite the journey from the A-League.

Cyclops

He has a pretty impressive record, will be interesting to see how he does. Wonder if he can do anything to keep Kane on board.

dogmeat

@Cyclops Are Spurs better off cashing in Kane for the rebuild project? FWIW that's Micah Richards opinion. I can see the logic.

Surely Kane has to go. What's in it for him staying at Spurs? Surely the best he could hope for is a Cup run? Kane should go somewhere he can win trophies.

canefan

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@Cyclops Are Spurs better off cashing in Kane for the rebuild project? FWIW that's Micah Richards opinion. I can see the logic.

Surely Kane has to go. What's in it for him staying at Spurs? Surely the best he could hope for is a Cup run? Kane should go somewhere he can win trophies.

As a supporter I couldn't begrudge him wanting to leave to chase pots. But I'd prefer to send him to Real Madrid than for him to stay in the UK

canefan

@Cyclops said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

He has a pretty impressive record, will be interesting to see how he does. Wonder if he can do anything to keep Kane on board.

He has a job to repair the morale and culture after the end of the Conte era. We have some good players who underachieved this year, so he needs to get them playing better. But Levy will need to give him some pieces, we need at least one CB and some FBs because last year we couldn't stop anyone

junior

@canefan The only place he could go for trophies in England is Citeh and they already have their unstoppable goal-scoring cyborg. He goes to Man U and he gets a League or FA Cup each season - hardly a guarantee of "trophies". He couldn't possibly go to Arsenal and 'Pool don't play with a striker.

His only option has to be overseas - BM or RM surely?

canefan

@junior said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@canefan The only place he could go for trophies in England is Citeh and they already have their unstoppable goal-scoring cyborg. He goes to Man U and he gets a League or FA Cup each season - hardly a guarantee of "trophies". He couldn't possibly go to Arsenal and 'Pool don't play with a striker.

His only option has to be overseas - BM or RM surely?

That's my feeling. RM love buying our best players

Bovidae

RM and Ancelotti want Kane so that's where he'll end up if Levy has his way.

Kane wants Man U so he can break the EPL goal-scoring record.

KiwiPie

I think "Big Ange" will want to play a high-paced pressing game with Spurs as opposed to their largely counter-attacking style of recent years. Not really sure Kane fits in with that system - he always seems to have had the freedom to do what he wants at Spurs rather than fitting into the system. Ange may see it as good business to take the money now rather than have the problem of losing him next summer.

canefan

@KiwiPie said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I think "Big Ange" will want to play a high-paced pressing game with Spurs as opposed to their largely counter-attacking style of recent years. Not really sure Kane fits in with that system - he always seems to have had the freedom to do what he wants at Spurs rather than fitting into the system. Ange may see it as good business to take the money now rather than have the problem of losing him next summer.

Pochettino played that sort of system and Kane thrived. Much will hinge on whether Harry wants to go and if Ange sees him as someone to build around.

Bovidae

Well done West Ham for winning the Europa Conference League (2-1 over Fiorentina). The Hammers' first taste of European silverware in 58 years. Steve Harris will be very happy.

dogmeat

Blighted a bit by being a very negative game with violence (against West Ham supporters) before the game and appalling behaviour from some West Ham fans inside the ground. The later will almost certainly have repercussions from UEFA against the club.

A minority of 'fans' ruin way too many football occasions.

Well done to the players and coaching staff. Didn't think they would do it TBH and at half time it looked nailed on that they would lose.

mariner4life

I'm loving some Spurs fans online unhappy about Ange getting the job, as he's not a big enough manager to get Spurs to win things

As if winning things is a Spurs characteristic they need to get back to.

KiwiMurph

@mariner4life I remember there being similar criticisms when Ange got hired at Celtic.

canefan

@mariner4life said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I'm loving some Spurs fans online unhappy about Ange getting the job, as he's not a big enough manager to get Spurs to win things

As if winning things is a Spurs characteristic they need to get back to.

It's crazy. Like Jose and Antonio won anything for us. Ange sounds like he shares some similar philosophies to Pochettino. And I expect him to be a straight up hard working antipodean who can hopefully bring the squad together. I'm keen to see him do well

Donsteppa

I will make my annual football post to lament the relegation of Hartlepool United from League Two to the National League. 😞

bayimports

@Donsteppa said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I will make my annual football post to lament the relegation of Hartlepool United from League Two to the National League. 😞

boo.. doesnt seem right to upvote that! ,Have nothing against Hartlepool, sometimes I would like a downvote button lol

In Bournemouth news, Palace about to announce Lerma signing.. leaves a big gap in the middle for us, so sure to be shopping over summer. Only real surprise for me was no extension on Vina who has gone back to Roma, who showed some attacking skill from the back

Hooroo

@Donsteppa said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I will make my annual football post to lament the relegation of Hartlepool United from League Two to the National League. 😞

Fitting to tie in with the retirement of Jeff Stelling.

Donsteppa

@Hooroo said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@Donsteppa said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I will make my annual football post to lament the relegation of Hartlepool United from League Two to the National League. 😞

Fitting to tie in with the retirement of Jeff Stelling.

Related to that changing of the guard, probably their most famous moment got a nice Royal mention earlier in the year:

KiwiPie

@Donsteppa said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I will make my annual football post to lament the relegation of Hartlepool United from League Two to the National League. 😞

So no big Hartlepool v Notts County game next season as we pass in opposite directions. We just passed the 10th anniversary of this legendary game when Hartley and Poole scored.

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KiwiPie

The issue for Ange will be the level of opposition in the EPL compared to the SPL - up there, Celtic could have mediocre days and still win. If Spurs start badly next season, the pressure on him to get results will be massive. I hope he does well but will be get the patience and the backing?

Cyclops

I saw a joke: 'Celtic fans are even more gutted about Ange leaving than they were when he arrived'.

bayimports

@KiwiPie said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

The issue for Ange will be the level of opposition in the EPL compared to the SPL - up there, Celtic could have mediocre days and still win. If Spurs start badly next season, the pressure on him to get results will be massive. I hope he does well but will be get the patience and the backing?

Also whether his employers will let him build the team he wants. He has a history of getting rid of players, no matter how big who don't play how he wants..thats a big ask with a team like this.

canefan

@bayimports said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@KiwiPie said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

The issue for Ange will be the level of opposition in the EPL compared to the SPL - up there, Celtic could have mediocre days and still win. If Spurs start badly next season, the pressure on him to get results will be massive. I hope he does well but will be get the patience and the backing?

Also whether his employers will let him build the team he wants. He has a history of getting rid of players, no matter how big who don't play how he wants..thats a big ask with a team like this.

The last manager who did that was Pochettino. Hopefully Levy feels we have hit rock bottom and will sanction sale of anyone who won't buy in

MajorStokes

Ederson win the champs league for City with a truly amazing performance

Bovidae

Foden should have iced the game, but two fantastic saves from Ederson.

Billy Tell

@MajorRage said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Ederson win the champs league for City with a truly amazing performance

Lukaku has a stunning ability to always pick out a defender.

KiwiPie

Not a great game - especially in the first half but there was more than enough drama towards the end. Throw in Lukaku's performance in the game Belgium had to win at the World Cup, and he's had a great season for missing goals it looks easier to score. John Stones seems to have turned into the best midfield player in the world and Rodri's finish was superb given what a poor game he was having.

broughie

Good finals game though. Pitch did not appear to be very good. Poor communication in the back 4 for Man City. City were not sharp with their passing either lacking or having too much weight. Maybe just a little tired. As Bovidae mentioned Foden had opportunities to put the game away. They took their opportunity though. Fantastic team and coach.

African Monkey

Masterclass tactically from Inzaghi I thought in a losing effort. Blocked up the space in the middle of the park led by Brozovic and ably supported by Calhanoglu and Barella which took City's attackers out of the game completely and get DiMarco and Dumfries pushing up high in the space that City weren't protecting to whip balls in from wide to cause the City back 3 into panic, and it worked a treat. They probably should have won in the end but Ederson replicated Courtois effort from last year to win the game.

You can tell Pep doesn't come up against Italian opposition often as Italian sides like to block up the centre of the park and press from the middle, as opposed to English football where the press is always led by the front men, which means you have to be a lot more patient in your lead up play, as opposed to English football where defending is more zonal, to start counter attacks, so space in England opens up easier. Italian teams are more defence focused as we all know, and focus more on their positional play and City struggled to adjust all game.

Still, well done to City on their treble.

broughie

@African-Monkey While they had some good opportunities Inters chances were few and I think City defenders help out and were their own worst enemies today. Thats the worst I have seen them play in a while, perhaps a credit to Inter, but City were flat and nervy. Haarland was too static, Silva slowed down play too much as did Grealish. For a bad performance they are really that good.

African Monkey

@broughie Yeah they weren't very good, caused by Inzaghi's tactics. Pep got done by his opposite, it happens, no shame in it. Credit to them at the same time, they still found a way. Just.

I also think that now Man City have won one, they'll go on to win plenty more.

Bovidae

I saw this on the TV news last night. Loved the dig at Spurs. 🤣

KiwiPie

@African-Monkey As Pep said, Italian teams feel like they are winning when it is 0-0, City had to not think they were losing when it was 0-0. Inzaghi's tactics were good in terms of stopping City playing but they didn't really look like crafting a goal other than from a City mistake - until after they fell behind. Italian teams defend well though and they were very good at hunting the midfielders down some way from goal - still in the EPL, the main plan for defending against a top team involves just putting bodies back in the box which just concedes 80% possession.