@Crucial said in Black Ferns 2023:
One thing I noticed in the endless replays we have had of that last lineout is the unheralded work from Krystal Murray. Ngan Woo gets the steal but it’s Murray that then holds back the drive to try and push into touch. There was still seconds on the clock at that stage and another lineout was a possibility.
Her effort to push back was huge.
She had a big impact off the bench
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I'm not surprised, especially after Clarke was named as a NZ U20 assistant coach yesterday.
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
I'm not surprised, especially after Clarke was named as a NZ U20 assistant coach yesterday.
Good to know there's no nepotism in the women's coaching selection ...
How much do we think Bunting will change the squads? He has the odd situation of seeing Aupiki then players go back to club followed by FPC.
Untimely injuries may play a part but there were a number of players not involved in the RWC that stood out in Aupiki.
Front rows are fairly settled and it was good to see some improve.
I don't think Demant played well in Aupiki but a second captain change (especially to POTY) would be a big call.
Obviously some 7s players leave gaps to be filled as well.
Will have a crack at a squad or contract list when I have a moment.
@Stargazer said in Black Ferns 2023:
How many players will get a contract? I forgot.
There were 29 players in 2022.
Contracted Black Ferns: Ariana Bayler (Waikato), Eloise Blackwell (Auckland), Alana Bremner (Canterbury), Chelsea Bremner (Canterbury), Grace Brooker (Canterbury), Kendra Cocksedge (Canterbury), Ruahei Demant (Auckland), Amy du Plessis (Canterbury), Les Elder (Bay of Plenty), Carla Hohepa (Waikato), Renee Holmes (Waikato), Ayesha Leti-I'iga (Wellington), Pip Love (Canterbury), Patricia Maliepo (Auckland), Arihiana Marino-Tauhinu (Counties Manukau), Charmaine McMenamin (Auckland), Liana Mikaele-Tu'u (Auckland), Krystal Murray (Northland), Aleisha Pearl Nelson (Auckland), Georgia Ponsonby (Canterbury), Cheyelle Robins-Reti (Waikato), Maiakawanakaukani Roos (Auckland), Amy Rule (Canterbury), Chelsea Semple nee Alley (Waikato), Kennedy Simon (Waikato), Grace Steinmetz (Canterbury), Hazel Tubic (Counties Manukau), Renee Wickliffe (Bay of Plenty), Kelsie Wills (Bay of Plenty).
Of those Elder and Wickliffe have retired, and a few of the older players will be phased out for different reasons (e.g., Blackwell, Hohepa, Semple).
Bunting needs to reward SRA form, or otherwise that is one more reason not to have the competition.
On SRA form Bayler, Blackwell, Hohepa and Nelson (did she play?) def under threat IMO.
I'd like a 10 to really step up as I'm not convinced on the game management of Demant or Tubic. Rosie Kelly looked promising.
Don't think Marino-Tauhinu is Cocksedge's natural replacement either.
Don't know if Willison is returning to Sevens.
@Stargazer I included Chelsea, hence the "different reasons". The others in that list are age-related. Hohepa is 37, for example.
There is certainly no shortage of midfielders and outside backs to choose from, but as @Crucial says, 9 and 10 are a worry, with general play kicking a concern.
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A complete change in the coaching staff.
Here's a direct route to the link within a link within a link of the Women and Girls in Rugby Strategy recently released.
2023 Black Ferns Contracted Players:
Alana Bremner (Matatū, Canterbury)
Amy Du Plessis (Matatū, Canterbury)
Amy Rule (Matatū, Canterbury)
Ariana Bayler (Blues, Waikato)
Arihiana Marino-Tauhinu (Chiefs Manawa, Counties Manukau)
Awhina Tangen-Wainohu (Chiefs Manawa, Waikato)
Ayesha Leti-I’iga (Hurricanes Poua, Wellington)
Charmaine McMenamin (Blues, Auckland)
Chelsea Bremner (Chiefs Manawa, Canterbury)
Georgia Ponsonby (Matatū, Canterbury)
Grace Brooker (Matatū, Canterbury)
Grace Gago (Blues, Counties Manukau)
Grace Steinmetz (Matatū, Canterbury)
Hazel Tubic (Chiefs Manawa, Counties Manukau)
Joanah Ngan-Woo (Hurricanes Poua, Wellington)
Katelyn Vahaakolo (Blues, Auckland)
Kelsie Thwaites (Chiefs Manawa, Bay of Plenty)
Kendra Reynolds (Matatū, Bay of Plenty)
Kennedy Simon (Chiefs Manawa, Waikato)
Krystal Murray (Hurricanes Poua, Northland)
Layla Sae (Hurricanes Poua, Manawatu)
Liana Mikaele’Tu'u (Blues, Auckland)
Logo-I-Pulotu Lemapu Atai'i (Sylvia) Brunt (Blues, Auckland)
Lucy Jenkins (Matatū, Canterbury)
Luka Connor (Chiefs Manawa, Bay of Plenty)
Maiakawanakaukani Roos (Blues, Auckland)
Mererangi Paul (Chiefs Manawa, Counties Manukau)
Patricia Maliepo (Blues, Auckland)
Pip Love (Matatū, Canterbury)
Renee Holmes (Matatū, Waikato)
Rosie Kelly (Matatū, Canterbury)
Ruahei Demant (Blues, Auckland)
Santo Taumata (Chiefs Manawa, Bay of Plenty)
Tanya Kalounivale (Chiefs Manawa, Waikato)
A few paragraphs from that media release:
Sky Super Rugby Aupiki standouts, Grace Gago, Katelyn Vahaakolo, Layla Sae, Lucy Jenkins, Mererangi Paul and Rosie Kelly have secured their first fulltime Black Ferns contracts.
In addition, 2022 Black Ferns Rugby World Cup champions Awhina Tangen-Wainohu, Kendra Reynolds, Sylvia Brunt and Santo Taumata have also picked up fulltime Black Ferns contracts for the first time.
Amy Rule will complete the Super W season in Australia before returning to the Black Ferns programme. NZR is also working with Ruby Tui to confirm her availability to re-join the Black Ferns programme later in the year.
Contracted players will train out of regionalised hubs in Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, Wellington and Christchurch, where they will receive technical, tactical and strength and conditioning programmes.
In addition, each player will have one day a week committed to their personal development, focussing on the areas of career/education and work, finance and asset protection, character development, mental wellness and other professional rugby obligations and expectations.
Excluding those players who have retired, are pregnant, or old, Cheyelle Robins-Reti seems to be the only omission from last year. Aleisha Pearl Nelson never played in Aupiki so must have a long-term injury. She is also 33. Kaipo Olsen-Baker is unlucky. There are only two halfbacks in that list too.
Not sure if I really keen hearing that NZR are waiting Ruby Tui's decision whether or not she is going to want to play. Just seems a little unfair that a player has got the union waiting without saying yep I real keen? Not a go at Tui who I got a lot of time for, and perhapds NZR know how good she is for game's promotion, still.......
Willison looks to have re-committed to Sevens. Hard to think that she would be left out otherwise.
Tui, the public face of the Black Ferns’ success, tweeted on Sunday that she would announce her next career move “over next couple days”.
In its release, NZR said: “NZR is also working with Ruby Tui to confirm her availability to re-join the Black Ferns programme later in the year. Further contracts are to be confirmed at a later date.”
I think the boat has sailed with Tui. Still has plenty to offer playing wise but she has landed an opportunity for the future that it would be silly to pass up. She's 31 and has won Olympic Gold, RWC Sevens, RWC XVs, 10 years in a black jersey.....
Bunting has also selected a new couple of out and out wings in Paul and Vahaakolo to add to Leti-I’iga
Tui and the union are better off deciding mutually that she is finished. Then they can move on with youth and she can continue to work on her budding broadcast career
@canefan said in Black Ferns 2023:
Tui and the union are better off deciding mutually that she is finished. Then they can move on with youth and she can continue to work on her budding broadcast career
My guess is that they are only waiting on her to secure some contract details with Sky. NZR don't want to jump the gun for her sake. Once everything is signed there will be a mutual retirement announcement.
Another possibility is that NZR may also be lining her up as part of their new development policy. There were a number of roles mentioned in those documents.
If she retires fully from playing she leves on a high. Has delivered both on and off the field and in NZ terms will probably be seen as the equivalent of Lomu in providing the impetus to take the game to new levels.
Re: contracted team
Not sure how Bayler gets in ahead of Puckett. Bayler was clearly second best halfback behind Puckett for the Blues.
A bit disappointed Willison is out and maybe back to 7s. She was excellent during Aupiki. Not sure why she played Aupiki if she’s going back to the BF7s.
Henwood over Gago for me. Or Henwood in addition to.
Happy for all the newbies who were all in form.
Carla Hohepa is obviously old but my god she can still play. She was brilliant in many of the matches.
Also I thought Jaymie Kolose deserves at least a part-time contract. As with Autumn Rain Stephens-Daly. Maybe just missed out with the overflow of talent out in the outside backs.
@Auckman said in Black Ferns 2023:
Henwood over Gago for me. Or Henwood in addition to.
Gago is a Hooker. Henwood a prop.
@Crucial Also wonder if she will be used in management team as cultural/gee up type role. I know we had someone complain about Bunting having this role in WC, but I think if we can somehow keep the special thing that team had, I would be all for it. Different teams etc perhaps have different requirements to get best out of them.
@Dan54 said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Crucial Also wonder if she will be used in management team as cultural/gee up type role. I know we had someone complain about Bunting having this role in WC, but I think if we can somehow keep the special thing that team had, I would be all for it. Different teams etc perhaps have different requirements to get best out of them.
A Culture, Diversity & Inclusion Manager already exists according to the Action Plan.
These are the new roles
6 FTEs
ɤ Head of Women’s High Performance
ɤ High Performance Administration – Women’s
ɤ Black Ferns Campaign Manager
ɤ Women’s Referee Development Manager
ɤ Head of Women and Girls Community Rugby
ɤ Women’s Commercial Sales
@Crucial said in Black Ferns 2023:
ɤ Women’s Referee Development Manager
This reminded me of the following.
Lauren Jenner moved to Treviso earlier in the year so was listed as an Italian referee in the women's 6N. She would have been the no.2 NZ women's ref. I wonder how that come about.
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Crucial said in Black Ferns 2023:
ɤ Women’s Referee Development Manager
This reminded me of the following.
Lauren Jenner moved to Treviso earlier in the year so was listed as an Italian referee in the women's 6N. She would have been the no.2 NZ women's ref. I wonder how that come about.
Probably a bit like Amy Rule playing for the Brumbies or the multitude of players that dash off to Japan for the gap between Aupiki and FPC. Not to mention the cross code players.
It's a bit more fluid in the womens game at the moment. Will tighten up as more professionalism comes in.
On the note of referees there was a pommy ref that did a FPC game last year and was quite good. Had moved over here and decided that he wanted to get involved in the women's side of reffing. He was very good.
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Mentioned by Tui on Breakdown. Henwood was my Chiefs Manawa MVP, so well-deserved.
Iritana Hohaia Bio:
Iritana Hohaia hails from Ōpunake in Taranaki, and proudly plays for Taranaki Whio in the Farah Palmer Cup. The Hurricanes Poua halfback was called into the Black Ferns in 2021 for their northern tour but is still awaiting the opportunity to debut for the Black Ferns. She has also played representative basketball, Hohaia was a member of the gold medal winning New Zealand Sevens team at the Youth Olympics in 2018, scoring a try in the Final victory over France.Kate Henwood Bio:
Loosehead prop Kate Henwood hails from Whakatane and has long been a notable player of the Bay of Plenty Volcanix Farah Palmer Cup side. The 34-year-old mother of three was called into the Chiefs Manawa team as an injury replacement player this year and grasped the opportunity with both hands. Henwood was soon identified as a standout player in Sky Super Rugby Aupiki, demonstrating her powerful strength and outstanding work ethic.Chryss Viliko Bio:
Chryss is a prop to watch with a bright future. After fighting her way back from a serious knee injury, she is on a mission to make up for lost time. The mobile young prop has been part of the Auckland Storm Farah Palmer Cup squad since 2019 and plays club rugby for Marist. In 2021, Viliko was welcomed into the Blues squad for the inaugural Sky Super Rugby Aupiki competition, however debuted the following year. Chryss attended the Black Ferns trials in 2022, where she caught the eye of Black Ferns selectors.
Rather stacking the contracts with front rowers
Maybe not a silly idea as it is the forwards that we need to be developing through full time training.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns 2023:
Rather stacking the contracts with front rowers
Viliko is an injury replacement for Awhina Tangen Wainohu (neck injury) so really only one extra prop added.
@Machpants said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Crucial 7s players can slot easier into the backline too, I guess? Until those are fully divorced like men's rugby
The contracted players aren’t a squad they are the one’s identified as likely squad members but more that they need to be full time pros to push the team further. In that regard I can understand more forwards.
The contract selections in the backs imply building replacements for the Sevens players.
@Crucial said in Black Ferns 2023:
Great news. Hopefully it gets the crowds. It’ll be great to see another sold-out Eden Park for these. If they’re going to Wellington & Christchurch I wonder if they’re targeting for big crowds there.
Liam Napier at the Herald refers to a “groundbreaking tour” here. A friend wouldn’t mind someone with a herald subscription to translate what he’s talking about. Is he talking about WXV or something else?
@Auckman said in Black Ferns 2023:
Liam Napier at the Herald refers to a “groundbreaking tour” here. A friend wouldn’t mind someone with a herald subscription to translate what he’s talking about. Is he talking about WXV or something else?
See the other link above.
Yes it is the 'finals' of the WXV. Top three from Europe with top three from Pacific/Americas
So likely England, France, Wales, NZ, Aus, Canada
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
